[Oe List ...] A Question I would like to ponder in company
Isobel & Jim Bishop
isjmbish at ozemail.com.au
Sat Feb 5 05:39:08 EST 2005
>From Isobel Bishop, in Sydney, Australia.
Dear Margaret,
What a good conversation to be having, so thank you very much for raising it
for us to consider once again. I was helped by what the three writers have
said, who have already responded to your quest.( I hope that I am doing
justice to their insights.)
Evelyn talked about unconditional love being at the heart of absolution-
I strongly identify with this statement. Dick talked about "the other"
offering absolution to the seeker- this I understand, too. Marianna talked
of a decision to accept absolution within the heart of the seeker.
I will try and throw light on to my understanding of receiving absolution in
my own life- hoping that it will open another piece of the puzzle.
In 1969 I was 1 participant amongst the 103 people and 12 or so
nationalities; in the first ITI- held at Singapore. I was 33, very shy,
and away from all the normal comfort zones of Australia. Joe decided I
would lead the singing before David Mc Cleskey ( I think), gave the
lecture. I was very nervous in front of a large group of people- and I led
three songs, and then sat down. After the lecture Joe came up to me, and was
very angry- he sternly addressed me,and said "why did you mumble and lead
the singing in such a poor way- don't you know that leading the singing like
that gave every Indian in this room permission to mumble? " Joe walked away
before there was time for any excuses from me.
This cut deep in to my heart- as I knew that tho'I was shy, there were
others who were even more nervous than I. Then and there I resolved to
always speak clearly in public, so that I could be heard - in order to make
it easier for others.
This experience reminds me of "the other"coming in to my life and shaming
me, or exposing my guilt and lack of care for others. However, at the same
time, my heart felt a kind of inexpressible joy; as I took up the challenge
to care about others, as well as acknowledge my own absolution, or feeling
of wholeness.
Margaret, for what it is worth, I offer this to you and to our company...
with loving greetings from Australia; where it is still a long, hot summer.
Isobel Bishop.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marianna Bailey" <wmbailey at charter.net>
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <OE at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A Question I would like to ponder in company
>A long, long, time ago when we living on the west side (5th City), I
>remember at an evening meal, I was asked to give the accountability and
>absolution. I did the ritual that I had memorized but when I got to the
>absolution Joe stopped me and said "What gives you the authority to give
>absolution?" There was a long silence ( I was terrified!). Finally in weak
>terrified voice I said " I decided." Joe smiled, and I proceeded to give
>the absolution. From that day forward I have never had a problem giving
>myself or anyone else absolution. It is my decision.
>
> Marianna Bailey, living in the beautiful mountains of Western North
> Carolina.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evelyn Philbrook" <joyful at icatw.com>
> To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <OE at wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [Oe List ...] A Question I would like to ponder in company
>
>
> Dearest Aiseayew,
>
> I do not and can not control God or Grace. My rational self wants control
> and logic and forgiveness once accountability and consciousness come
> forward. My rational self wants to be loved and forgiven unconditionally,
> but my emotional self is filled with guilt and pain. I have to let go of
> the self and LET GOD BE THE LOVING GOD.
>
> To allow ' THE WORD OF POSSIBILITY TO COME IN TO MY LIFE, ALL IS GOOD, THE
> PAST IS APPROVED, YOU ARE RECEIVED AND THE FUTURE IS OPEN.
>
> God have Mercy, Christ have Mercy, God have Mercy, Christ have Mercy.
>
> LET JESUS IN, LET GOD IN, I AM, HAVE BEEN AND FOREVER WILL BE LOVED BY GOD
> AND CHRIST.
>
> AMEN, AMEN.
>
> I started my response to you in the third person We and discovered I could
> not answer you from the heart like that.
>
> I am crying now filled with emotion and thank you for raising the question
> of faith for me, for us all.
>
> IT STRIKES WHEN WE LEAST EXPECT IT AND HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.
>
> FAITH IS A LEAP, LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL AND ETERNAL. BELIEVE.
>
> YOU ARE ALREADY BLESSED. YOU ALREADY HAVE GOD'S LOVE. THIS IS BEING
> LOVED
> BY GOD.
>
> How do I know, it is the PEACE that PASSES UNDERSTANDING.
>
> AMEN AMEN
>
> .....
>
> We, who have been in the Order, know these words all too well, like when I
> discover I have to go to the bathroom when the contradictions workshop
> gets
> to close to home, or fall asleep when we go deeply in the spirit realm. I
> have to be watchful and careful with myself, and be gentle with myself
> when
> I am celebrating a life and death of someone close, even if it was just
> last
> week, or 5 years ago, the memory, the energy, the resonance for the YES
> and
> the NO are still with me. This is why I found that Holographic
> Repatterning
> had a place in my life. I can use whatever resource is needed to shift
> the
> resonance so I can say yes and see the gift that this event which I am
> trapped in and am now released from to transform. Some of the resonance
> shifting methods I first used with Jean Houston and did not know it. I
> would feel even better when I learned more about how the body, mind, and
> spirit were connected to each other after doing yoga, or tai chi or Jean's
> sessions, or yogic breathing, or NLP.
>
> It is not a trick, or hocus pocus. I use as many or as few healing
> modalities as I need to have this work for me. We are shifting the
> electrical resonance and brain waves just like a certain resonance in
> sound
> once ampliphied can disperse a stone in the kidney.
>
> DRINK A LOT OF WATER. DO THE NEXT STEPS WITH A GUIDE YOU CAN TRUST.
>
>
> What is the issue, restate the issue until it is the real issue and write
> it
> down, you will know it, (this may elude you at first, but actually you do
> know what the issue was or is not for you) What was the occasion, who was
> involved? How old were you?
>
> What do I need to say to that person for whom this pain is lodged? What
> do
> I need to hear them say to me? What do I want to hear from their lips?
>
> Repeat this role play again until the energy shifts.
>
>
> Ask yourself, how is this event a gift to my life?
>
> Restate the issue as a gift of transformation and write it down until it
> is
> a positive statement.
>
> (YOU ARE A UNIQUE AND UNREPEATABLE GIFT TO HISTORY Aiseayew! Loudly, the
> whispered, then normal voice.)
> this slipped out from some where...
>
> What do I need to do to follow up on this shift?
>
> Sometimes I do not need to do anything at all, just allow the new energy
> to
> flow over me and rest.
>
> Sometimes I need to do something else, like dance to Green Forest music,
> do
> several mantras, breath deeply, stretch with yoga, get a massage on your
> head and shoulders, use Brain Gym, Cranial Sacral, thymus tapping, it
> depends on what is needed. You might need a full spectrum light bulb.
> You
> might need a vacation on a beach, or at least the kinesthetic visit to
> such
> a place.
>
> Let your intuition guide you...it could be a body, or a mind, or a spirit
> level release you need. Sometimes I am able to do a self session and this
> works. How do I feel now? OR
>
> Find a Holographic Repatterning person and do a session with them. This
> works for me and is the best method I have found to get unstuck. These
> sessions can be done over the phone, by email, or in person or by proxy,
> but
> you must give your permission to have the session done and you need to
> resolve the payment (if there is one) before the session.
>
> Where the foundations of being in the Order fell short for me is the body
> aspect and the emotional side of my development. Or at least that was not
> where I was looking to be changed as a priority. We are who we are and we
> can only be journeyed from the place we are at the time we being who we
> are.
>
>
> The reason I am responding is because you were the one (of the many) who
> helped the Philbrooks celebrate Phil's life.
>
> Do you remember the circle dance we ended the meal after the daily office?
> Two circles of people facing each other singing:
>
> All I ask of you is remember me, as loving you?
>
> (You can remember this... this is for you too.)
>
> Respectfully with love,
>
> Evelyn Kurihara Philbrook
>
> Sitting in Taiwan hoping this message is heard from heart and not the mind
> with the movement of the Holy Spirit. Oh my, it is almost 2:00 am in the
> morning. It is okay, tomorrow is Saturday and begins the Chinese New Year
> Holiday for the Year of the Rooster or Chicken for my school!
>
> Write me directly on joyful at icatw.com or evelynaphilbrook at yahoo.com
> I am willing to do a session for you online or help you find someone who
> can
> give a you a session in person.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OE-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:OE-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf
> Of aiseayew
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:19 PM
> To: OE at wedgeblade.net
> Subject: [Oe List ...] A Question I would like to ponder in company
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> It has been dark, cloudy and foggy, for several days here in central
> Iowa--a
> little unusual for this time of year. Perhaps that is a part of the
> reason
> I found moisture seeping from my eyes in the middle of my shift last
> night.
> I tried and tried to come up with the question underneath my rampaging
> thoughts and it formed like this: Where does the sense of absolution come
> from?
>
> I have not forgotten that absolution is a response to accountability. I
> am
> perfectly clear that some would say it comes in the address of the Word,
> but
> I know that I often choose to reject the address of the Word in my life.
> That the past is approved is just a fact. It does not necessarily provide
> the sense of absolution. Throw forgiveness and grief into the mix.
> There
> are things for which I have been forgiven for which there is no sense of
> absolution. There are things for which I have not been forgiven for which
> I
> feel no need of a sense of absolution. Is there is a sense of absolution
> at
> the end of grief. Does grief ever end? How do you know?
>
> I may be searching for a feeling, but what engenders it? I haven't
> forgotten that grace happens or it doesn't. I have never associated a
> feeling or a "sense" with the experience of grace.
>
> I know of no other place I can pose this question, which might have been
> struggled with in other contexts. My e-mail address is
> aiseayew at iowatelecom.net if you want to reply apart from the listserv.
>
> Thanks in advance for the dialogue,
>
> Margaret
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