[Oe List ...] various charts

[Patricia Tuecke]

Lee,
I saw Frank's original request on the ICA Dialogue list and was going to
forward it to you. Then when I went to the OE list, I was glad you had
already begun a conversation with Frank. Many, I'm sure, will be interested
in your rationales, etc. Enjoy your coffee.

Patricia Tuecke, Sierra Circle Consulting
775-333-6998.  ptuecke at nvbell.net
 
 
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Of Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:59 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts

Yeah, this is what I was afraid of.  I will answer your questions,  
but it might take several emails.  Short questions do not necessarily  
lead to short answers.

The fourth step, as an example of a long answer, has been bastardized  
to where the original Tactical Systems Chart is no longer in use.   
The cross gestalt did us all in and tied knots in the tails of all  
participants.  I've changed the fourth step as well.  I'll get to  
that later.

I am going to get a cup of coffee and will address the Practical  
Vision chart in a bit.

Lee



On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:21 PM, frank bremner wrote:

> My questions are short, Lee.
>
> 1)  What was the rationale for the Vision chart (LENS/epecially  
> HDP) being
> as it was?  The key vision item to aim for being in the middle,  
> with main
> supporting and lesser supporting items to the sides?  Anything else?
>
> 2)  What was the rationale for the Contradictions chart (as above)  
> being as
> it was?  Having the most populous category on the left, decreasing  
> to the
> least populous category on the right, and all else in between?   
> Anything
> else?
>
> 3)  For the Proposals chart the Cultural items tended to be in the  
> middle,
> with Social/Political items to one side, and Economic items to the  
> other
> side.  Emphasis: the cultural is key.  Anything else?
>
> 4)  The Programmatic Chart reworked the Proposals into Programs  
> that suited
> the territory and kinds of funding agencies.  I'd imagine that this  
> could
> change if there were a change of government with a new arrangement of
> government departments - teh same funding but from different  
> places.  And so
> on.  Anything else?
>
> 5) Timeline.  Straightforward.  With a fairly time-constrained  
> event with
> students I've had them place Proposal items horizontally on a  
> timeline: the
> months of this year, then the first and second six-month periods of  
> next
> year, then "after that".  I divided the timeline into three horizontal
> streams: economic (about "resources etc"), political (about  
> "decisions and
> discussions etc"), and cultural (about "values, symbols and  
> celebrations
> etc").  I'd develop the Social Process categories further only if  
> necessary.
>
> 6) Tactics.  A detailed version of the Proposals or Programmatic  
> chart?
>
> I know it looks as if I've answered my own question ("We're not out  
> to teach
> you anything you don't already know"), BUT I'm interested in any  
> fresh takes
> on these categories from anyone who has been intimately involved  
> with them
> on a week-by-week basis.
>
> My underlying issue/question has to do with acquainting students/ 
> teachers
> with the idea of using a chart to hold items, rather than a list.   
> Then
> "What sort of chart?"  Why do you use a "bridge chart" for the  
> Vision and
> not for the Proposals?  Are there other ways of doing it?
>
> In other words:
> (1) give them something to work with in the current event/workshop
> (2) suggest that "doing a visual chart" is important: a principle  
> within
> this event/workshop
> (3) suggest that their may be other charts that could fit each stage
> (4) suggest why the charts in (1) were used
> (5) back to (3): the charts in (1) are not written in stone: if  
> anyone has
> an alternative, let's look at it
>
> A lot of this would tend to be done if I was able to work with the
> student/teacher group over a period of time as a mentor.
>
> Any further ideas ?
>
> Cheers
>
> Frank Bremner
>
>
>> From: Lee <leassoc at charter.net>
>> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community  <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:33:23 -0700
>>
>> Yeah, that's plenty.  I could send you the entire facilitators
>> manual, but, that might not answer any of your questions.  So, why
>> don't you ask me a couple of specific questions on each of the five
>> steps and I'll do my best to answer them.  Why don't you send a
>> separate email for each set of questions rather than a dozen or so
>> all at once.
>>
>> Lee
>>
> etc
>
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