[Oe List ...] various charts

Mary Laura Jones mljones at ica-usa.org
Thu Jun 29 14:00:04 EST 2006 

Dear Lee, I would be pleased to have a copy.  They are good questions and I
would appreciate information on the rationales.  Thank you, Mary Laura 


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-----Original Message-----
From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
Of Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:57 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts

I think my rationales are going to Frank alone.  I think.  If anyone else
wants to see what I sent to Frank, holler.

Lee


On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Patricia Tuecke wrote:

> Lee,
> I saw Frank's original request on the ICA Dialogue list and was going 
> to forward it to you. Then when I went to the OE list, I was glad you 
> had already begun a conversation with Frank. Many, I'm sure, will be 
> interested in your rationales, etc. Enjoy your coffee.
>
> Patricia Tuecke, Sierra Circle Consulting 775-333-6998.  
> ptuecke at nvbell.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net]
> On Behalf
> Of Lee
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:59 AM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts
>
> Yeah, this is what I was afraid of.  I will answer your questions, but 
> it might take several emails.  Short questions do not necessarily lead 
> to short answers.
>
> The fourth step, as an example of a long answer, has been bastardized 
> to where the original Tactical Systems Chart is no longer in use.
> The cross gestalt did us all in and tied knots in the tails of all 
> participants.  I've changed the fourth step as well.  I'll get to that 
> later.
>
> I am going to get a cup of coffee and will address the Practical 
> Vision chart in a bit.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:21 PM, frank bremner wrote:
>
>> My questions are short, Lee.
>>
>> 1)  What was the rationale for the Vision chart (LENS/epecially
>> HDP) being
>> as it was?  The key vision item to aim for being in the middle, with 
>> main supporting and lesser supporting items to the sides?  Anything 
>> else?
>>
>> 2)  What was the rationale for the Contradictions chart (as above) 
>> being as it was?  Having the most populous category on the left, 
>> decreasing to the least populous category on the right, and all else 
>> in between?
>> Anything
>> else?
>>
>> 3)  For the Proposals chart the Cultural items tended to be in the 
>> middle, with Social/Political items to one side, and Economic items 
>> to the other side.  Emphasis: the cultural is key.  Anything else?
>>
>> 4)  The Programmatic Chart reworked the Proposals into Programs that 
>> suited the territory and kinds of funding agencies.  I'd imagine that 
>> this could change if there were a change of government with a new 
>> arrangement of government departments - teh same funding but from 
>> different places.  And so on.  Anything else?
>>
>> 5) Timeline.  Straightforward.  With a fairly time-constrained event 
>> with students I've had them place Proposal items horizontally on a
>> timeline: the
>> months of this year, then the first and second six-month periods of 
>> next year, then "after that".  I divided the timeline into three 
>> horizontal
>> streams: economic (about "resources etc"), political (about 
>> "decisions and discussions etc"), and cultural (about "values, 
>> symbols and celebrations etc").  I'd develop the Social Process 
>> categories further only if necessary.
>>
>> 6) Tactics.  A detailed version of the Proposals or Programmatic 
>> chart?
>>
>> I know it looks as if I've answered my own question ("We're not out 
>> to teach you anything you don't already know"), BUT I'm interested in 
>> any fresh takes on these categories from anyone who has been 
>> intimately involved with them on a week-by-week basis.
>>
>> My underlying issue/question has to do with acquainting students/ 
>> teachers with the idea of using a chart to hold items, rather than a 
>> list.
>> Then
>> "What sort of chart?"  Why do you use a "bridge chart" for the Vision 
>> and not for the Proposals?  Are there other ways of doing it?
>>
>> In other words:
>> (1) give them something to work with in the current event/workshop
>> (2) suggest that "doing a visual chart" is important: a principle 
>> within this event/workshop
>> (3) suggest that their may be other charts that could fit each stage
>> (4) suggest why the charts in (1) were used
>> (5) back to (3): the charts in (1) are not written in stone: if 
>> anyone has an alternative, let's look at it
>>
>> A lot of this would tend to be done if I was able to work with the 
>> student/teacher group over a period of time as a mentor.
>>
>> Any further ideas ?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Frank Bremner
>>
>>
>>> From: Lee <leassoc at charter.net>
>>> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community  <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts
>>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:33:23 -0700
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's plenty.  I could send you the entire facilitators 
>>> manual, but, that might not answer any of your questions.  So, why 
>>> don't you ask me a couple of specific questions on each of the five 
>>> steps and I'll do my best to answer them.  Why don't you send a 
>>> separate email for each set of questions rather than a dozen or so 
>>> all at once.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>> etc
>>
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