[Oe List ...] various charts

[Ray Caruso]

Hi Lee:

I'd like to be on the copy list too.

Thanks.

Ray

> I think my rationales are going to Frank alone.  I think.  If anyone
> else wants to see what I sent to Frank, holler.
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Patricia Tuecke wrote:
> 
>> Lee,
>> I saw Frank's original request on the ICA Dialogue list and was
>> going to
>> forward it to you. Then when I went to the OE list, I was glad you had
>> already begun a conversation with Frank. Many, I'm sure, will be
>> interested
>> in your rationales, etc. Enjoy your coffee.
>> 
>> Patricia Tuecke, Sierra Circle Consulting
>> 775-333-6998.  ptuecke at nvbell.net
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Lee
>> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:59 AM
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts
>> 
>> Yeah, this is what I was afraid of.  I will answer your questions,
>> but it might take several emails.  Short questions do not necessarily
>> lead to short answers.
>> 
>> The fourth step, as an example of a long answer, has been bastardized
>> to where the original Tactical Systems Chart is no longer in use.
>> The cross gestalt did us all in and tied knots in the tails of all
>> participants.  I've changed the fourth step as well.  I'll get to
>> that later.
>> 
>> I am going to get a cup of coffee and will address the Practical
>> Vision chart in a bit.
>> 
>> Lee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:21 PM, frank bremner wrote:
>> 
>>> My questions are short, Lee.
>>> 
>>> 1)  What was the rationale for the Vision chart (LENS/epecially
>>> HDP) being
>>> as it was?  The key vision item to aim for being in the middle,
>>> with main
>>> supporting and lesser supporting items to the sides?  Anything else?
>>> 
>>> 2)  What was the rationale for the Contradictions chart (as above)
>>> being as
>>> it was?  Having the most populous category on the left, decreasing
>>> to the
>>> least populous category on the right, and all else in between?
>>> Anything
>>> else?
>>> 
>>> 3)  For the Proposals chart the Cultural items tended to be in the
>>> middle,
>>> with Social/Political items to one side, and Economic items to the
>>> other
>>> side.  Emphasis: the cultural is key.  Anything else?
>>> 
>>> 4)  The Programmatic Chart reworked the Proposals into Programs
>>> that suited
>>> the territory and kinds of funding agencies.  I'd imagine that this
>>> could
>>> change if there were a change of government with a new arrangement of
>>> government departments - teh same funding but from different
>>> places.  And so
>>> on.  Anything else?
>>> 
>>> 5) Timeline.  Straightforward.  With a fairly time-constrained
>>> event with
>>> students I've had them place Proposal items horizontally on a
>>> timeline: the
>>> months of this year, then the first and second six-month periods of
>>> next
>>> year, then "after that".  I divided the timeline into three
>>> horizontal
>>> streams: economic (about "resources etc"), political (about
>>> "decisions and
>>> discussions etc"), and cultural (about "values, symbols and
>>> celebrations
>>> etc").  I'd develop the Social Process categories further only if
>>> necessary.
>>> 
>>> 6) Tactics.  A detailed version of the Proposals or Programmatic
>>> chart?
>>> 
>>> I know it looks as if I've answered my own question ("We're not out
>>> to teach
>>> you anything you don't already know"), BUT I'm interested in any
>>> fresh takes
>>> on these categories from anyone who has been intimately involved
>>> with them
>>> on a week-by-week basis.
>>> 
>>> My underlying issue/question has to do with acquainting students/
>>> teachers
>>> with the idea of using a chart to hold items, rather than a list.
>>> Then
>>> "What sort of chart?"  Why do you use a "bridge chart" for the
>>> Vision and
>>> not for the Proposals?  Are there other ways of doing it?
>>> 
>>> In other words:
>>> (1) give them something to work with in the current event/workshop
>>> (2) suggest that "doing a visual chart" is important: a principle
>>> within
>>> this event/workshop
>>> (3) suggest that their may be other charts that could fit each stage
>>> (4) suggest why the charts in (1) were used
>>> (5) back to (3): the charts in (1) are not written in stone: if
>>> anyone has
>>> an alternative, let's look at it
>>> 
>>> A lot of this would tend to be done if I was able to work with the
>>> student/teacher group over a period of time as a mentor.
>>> 
>>> Any further ideas ?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Frank Bremner
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Lee <leassoc at charter.net>
>>>> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community  <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] various charts
>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:33:23 -0700
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, that's plenty.  I could send you the entire facilitators
>>>> manual, but, that might not answer any of your questions.  So, why
>>>> don't you ask me a couple of specific questions on each of the five
>>>> steps and I'll do my best to answer them.  Why don't you send a
>>>> separate email for each set of questions rather than a dozen or so
>>>> all at once.
>>>> 
>>>> Lee
>>>> 
>>> etc
>>> 
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