[Oe List ...] New Century, Different Crisis

Sat Nov 3 11:34:09 EDT 2007

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Doris Hahn

--- John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:

> Charles, to put it in HRN-like format, maybe it's
> "human-centeredness,
> racialism, nationalism, and economic imperialism" .
> . . and maybe "religious
> intolerance" or "fundamentalism." HRN would probably
> mention 5-7 today. You
> could use "tribalism" to hold "racialism,"
> "nationalism," and "religious
> intolerance," but that gets too general to be
> helpful, seems to me.
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> Of Charles or Doris Hahn
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:23 AM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> Crisis
> 
> Thanks for getting us on a roll here, Randy. I
> certainly agree with John C.
> that all of creation has to be our context, though
> it is surely more
> demanding than just "all of God's people." Our
> reductionism of the past puts
> the pressure on today. 
> 
> What is the category, John? I am sure you and Thomas
> Berry (and others)must
> use it all the time. It has to communicate to the
> general populous, yet at
> the same time catch their attention. Clarity on this
> issue will, of course,
> inform the strategies.
> 
> Doris Hahn
> 
> 
> --- John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > I hear you, Randy, and know that is what you
> believe, but we need to 
> > say it so we cannot be misunderstood.
> "Social/society"
> > doesn't mean all creation or
> > the earth community to most people, I judge.
> >  
> > John
> > 
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of R
> Williams
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:50 AM
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community
> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> Crisis
> > 
> > 
> > John,
> >  
> > I believe the word "social" is inclusive of all
> creation (key--earth
> > "community") and that Niebuhr's three evils can be
> restated to be 
> > inclusive as well.  Nationalism and economic
> imperialism are at least 
> > two of the contradictions underlying the
> degradation of the earth. 
> > (Example: Bush's rationale for pulling out of
> Kyoto--"not good for
> > business.")  By the way,
> > some of the materials at www.rauschenbusch.org
> quote and/or refer to 
> > Thomas Berry and The Great Work, so they too
> understand the importance 
> > of what you are saying..
> >  
> > Randy
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com>
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2007 7:33:17 AM
> > Subject: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> Crisis
> > 
> > 
> > What about care for the total earth community? As
> Thomas Berry says 
> > many ways, we can spend all our energy on
> social/human problems and go 
> > out of being as a species. This statement trumps
> HRN's three or 
> > Rauchenbusch's one or two. How do we honor and yet
> radically recontext 
> > our existing human-centered paradigm within our
> thinking, 
> > organization, and action?
> >  
> > John
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> Of R Williams
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:50 AM
> > To: Colleague Dialogue
> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Century,Same
> Crisis--The Social Gospel 100 
> > Years Later
> > 
> > 
> > Len,
> >  
> > HRN put wheels under Rauschenbusch's social gospel
> > and the key insight that
> > it's not just individual conversion but social
> > (meaning instituitional)
> > change as well.  We translated what it means to be
> > social pioneers into the
> > three master strategies of (1) contextual
> > reeducation, (2) structural
> > reformulation and (3) spiritual remotivation.. 
> Even
> > though all three of
> > these address social as well as individual
> > contradictions, the
> > transformation of society's structures is, I
> > believe, the one most directed
> > at socia change and the one that most often is
> > neglected.  We said 30 years
> > ago that Niebuhr's social evils of "racialism,
> > nationalism and economic
> > imperialism" were as predominant then as they were
> > in Niebuhr's time.  I
> > think that is still true for today.  To the point,
> > today as ever in order to
> > care for those who care one must address the
> > structures of society which
> > continue to institutionalize racialism,
> nationalism
> > and economic
> > imperialism, and not focus just on the first and
> > last strategies.  No single
> > one of them is effective unless all three are
> > spinning.
> >  
> > Maybe Springboard should dust off those old
> > strategies and decide what the
> > contemporary form of them must be.  What do you
> > think?
> >  
> > Randy
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Len Hockley <lenh at efn.org>
> > To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>;
> > Order Ecumenical Community
> > <oe at wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue
> > <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 4:36:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Century, Same
> > Crisis--The Social Gospel 100
> > Years Later
> > 
> > A good read Randy.  
> > 
> > I always  thought there was a basic difference
> > between Reinhold and H
> > .Richard.  Hooray for H. Richard
> > 
> > Any way you can see this wisdom to be of use to
> our
> > meeting of
> > "Springboard"?
> > 
> > Len
> > 
> > 
> > At 01:43 PM 11/2/2007 +0000, R Williams wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Colleagues,
> >  
> > In the introduction to the G-O-D Lecture in RS-1
> we
> > marked the year 1907 as
> > the beginning of the 20th century, and we grounded
> > this with events such as
> > Einstein's theory of relativity, the Bolshevik
> > Revolution, World War I, etc.
> > One of the events we did not mention was the
> > publication in that year of the
> > book by Walter Rauschenbusch, Christianity and the
> 
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