[Oe List ...] New Century, Different Crisis
John Cock
jpc2025 at triad.rr.com
Sat Nov 3 12:00:43 EDT 2007
Sorry, Doris. Saw Charles' name at first glance on the "On Behalf of Charles
. . ."
John
-----Original Message-----
From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
Of Charles or Doris Hahn
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 11:34 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different Crisis
Did I forget to sign my response?
Doris Hahn
--- John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> Charles, to put it in HRN-like format, maybe it's "human-centeredness,
> racialism, nationalism, and economic imperialism" .
> . . and maybe "religious
> intolerance" or "fundamentalism." HRN would probably mention 5-7
> today. You could use "tribalism" to hold "racialism,"
> "nationalism," and "religious
> intolerance," but that gets too general to be helpful, seems to me.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Charles or Doris Hahn
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:23 AM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different Crisis
>
> Thanks for getting us on a roll here, Randy. I certainly agree with
> John C.
> that all of creation has to be our context, though it is surely more
> demanding than just "all of God's people." Our reductionism of the
> past puts the pressure on today.
>
> What is the category, John? I am sure you and Thomas Berry (and
> others)must use it all the time. It has to communicate to the general
> populous, yet at the same time catch their attention. Clarity on this
> issue will, of course, inform the strategies.
>
> Doris Hahn
>
>
> --- John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > I hear you, Randy, and know that is what you
> believe, but we need to
> > say it so we cannot be misunderstood.
> "Social/society"
> > doesn't mean all creation or
> > the earth community to most people, I judge.
> >
> > John
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of R
> Williams
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:50 AM
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community
> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> Crisis
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I believe the word "social" is inclusive of all
> creation (key--earth
> > "community") and that Niebuhr's three evils can be
> restated to be
> > inclusive as well. Nationalism and economic
> imperialism are at least
> > two of the contradictions underlying the
> degradation of the earth.
> > (Example: Bush's rationale for pulling out of
> Kyoto--"not good for
> > business.") By the way,
> > some of the materials at www.rauschenbusch.org
> quote and/or refer to
> > Thomas Berry and The Great Work, so they too
> understand the importance
> > of what you are saying..
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com>
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2007 7:33:17 AM
> > Subject: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> Crisis
> >
> >
> > What about care for the total earth community? As
> Thomas Berry says
> > many ways, we can spend all our energy on
> social/human problems and go
> > out of being as a species. This statement trumps
> HRN's three or
> > Rauchenbusch's one or two. How do we honor and yet
> radically recontext
> > our existing human-centered paradigm within our
> thinking,
> > organization, and action?
> >
> > John
> > _____
> >
> > From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> Of R Williams
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:50 AM
> > To: Colleague Dialogue
> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Century,Same
> Crisis--The Social Gospel 100
> > Years Later
> >
> >
> > Len,
> >
> > HRN put wheels under Rauschenbusch's social gospel and the key
> > insight that it's not just individual conversion but social (meaning
> > instituitional) change as well. We translated what it means to be
> > social pioneers into the three master strategies of (1) contextual
> > reeducation, (2) structural reformulation and (3) spiritual
> > remotivation..
> Even
> > though all three of
> > these address social as well as individual contradictions, the
> > transformation of society's structures is, I believe, the one most
> > directed at socia change and the one that most often is neglected.
> > We said 30 years ago that Niebuhr's social evils of "racialism,
> > nationalism and economic imperialism" were as predominant then as
> > they were in Niebuhr's time. I think that is still true for today.
> > To the point, today as ever in order to care for those who care one
> > must address the structures of society which continue to
> > institutionalize racialism,
> nationalism
> > and economic
> > imperialism, and not focus just on the first and last strategies.
> > No single one of them is effective unless all three are spinning.
> >
> > Maybe Springboard should dust off those old strategies and decide
> > what the contemporary form of them must be. What do you think?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Len Hockley <lenh at efn.org>
> > To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>; Order Ecumenical
> > Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue
> > <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 4:36:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Century, Same Crisis--The Social Gospel
> > 100 Years Later
> >
> > A good read Randy.
> >
> > I always thought there was a basic difference between Reinhold and
> > H .Richard. Hooray for H. Richard
> >
> > Any way you can see this wisdom to be of use to
> our
> > meeting of
> > "Springboard"?
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> > At 01:43 PM 11/2/2007 +0000, R Williams wrote:
> >
> >
> > Colleagues,
> >
> > In the introduction to the G-O-D Lecture in RS-1
> we
> > marked the year 1907 as
> > the beginning of the 20th century, and we grounded this with events
> > such as Einstein's theory of relativity, the Bolshevik Revolution,
> > World War I, etc.
> > One of the events we did not mention was the publication in that
> > year of the book by Walter Rauschenbusch, Christianity and the
>
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