[Oe List ...] New Century, Different Crisis
Marilyn R Crocker
marilyncrocker at juno.com
Sat Nov 3 20:28:10 EDT 2007
Hi Doris,
No, you did not forget to sign -- and I, too, wondered why Charles got a
response from John.
By the way, thank you for your thoughtful (as always) input -- and three
cheer to Charles, for garnering kudos by virtue of matrimony! (Joe says
to tell Charles, he does the same every day as well.)
So, Doris, I guess our husbands have indeed bloomed beyond expectation,
by virtue of being connected to us. How fortunate they are :)
Peace and love,
Marilyn
Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D
Crocker & Associates, Inc.
123 Sanborn Road
West Newfield, ME 04095
(207) 793-3711
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Charles or Doris Hahn
<cdhahn at flash.net> writes:
> Did I forget to sign my response?
>
> Doris Hahn
>
>
> --- John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Charles, to put it in HRN-like format, maybe it's
> > "human-centeredness,
> > racialism, nationalism, and economic imperialism" .
> > . . and maybe "religious
> > intolerance" or "fundamentalism." HRN would probably
> > mention 5-7 today. You
> > could use "tribalism" to hold "racialism,"
> > "nationalism," and "religious
> > intolerance," but that gets too general to be
> > helpful, seems to me.
> >
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> > Of Charles or Doris Hahn
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:23 AM
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community
> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> > Crisis
> >
> > Thanks for getting us on a roll here, Randy. I
> > certainly agree with John C.
> > that all of creation has to be our context, though
> > it is surely more
> > demanding than just "all of God's people." Our
> > reductionism of the past puts
> > the pressure on today.
> >
> > What is the category, John? I am sure you and Thomas
> > Berry (and others)must
> > use it all the time. It has to communicate to the
> > general populous, yet at
> > the same time catch their attention. Clarity on this
> > issue will, of course,
> > inform the strategies.
> >
> > Doris Hahn
> >
> >
> > --- John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I hear you, Randy, and know that is what you
> > believe, but we need to
> > > say it so we cannot be misunderstood.
> > "Social/society"
> > > doesn't mean all creation or
> > > the earth community to most people, I judge.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > > [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of R
> > Williams
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:50 AM
> > > To: Order Ecumenical Community
> > > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> > Crisis
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I believe the word "social" is inclusive of all
> > creation (key--earth
> > > "community") and that Niebuhr's three evils can be
> > restated to be
> > > inclusive as well. Nationalism and economic
> > imperialism are at least
> > > two of the contradictions underlying the
> > degradation of the earth.
> > > (Example: Bush's rationale for pulling out of
> > Kyoto--"not good for
> > > business.") By the way,
> > > some of the materials at www.rauschenbusch.org
> > quote and/or refer to
> > > Thomas Berry and The Great Work, so they too
> > understand the importance
> > > of what you are saying..
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com>
> > > To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2007 7:33:17 AM
> > > Subject: [Oe List ...] New Century, Different
> > Crisis
> > >
> > >
> > > What about care for the total earth community? As
> > Thomas Berry says
> > > many ways, we can spend all our energy on
> > social/human problems and go
> > > out of being as a species. This statement trumps
> > HRN's three or
> > > Rauchenbusch's one or two. How do we honor and yet
> > radically recontext
> > > our existing human-centered paradigm within our
> > thinking,
> > > organization, and action?
> > >
> > > John
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net
> > > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> > Of R Williams
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:50 AM
> > > To: Colleague Dialogue
> > > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Century,Same
> > Crisis--The Social Gospel 100
> > > Years Later
> > >
> > >
> > > Len,
> > >
> > > HRN put wheels under Rauschenbusch's social gospel
> > > and the key insight that
> > > it's not just individual conversion but social
> > > (meaning instituitional)
> > > change as well. We translated what it means to be
> > > social pioneers into the
> > > three master strategies of (1) contextual
> > > reeducation, (2) structural
> > > reformulation and (3) spiritual remotivation..
> > Even
> > > though all three of
> > > these address social as well as individual
> > > contradictions, the
> > > transformation of society's structures is, I
> > > believe, the one most directed
> > > at socia change and the one that most often is
> > > neglected. We said 30 years
> > > ago that Niebuhr's social evils of "racialism,
> > > nationalism and economic
> > > imperialism" were as predominant then as they were
> > > in Niebuhr's time. I
> > > think that is still true for today. To the point,
> > > today as ever in order to
> > > care for those who care one must address the
> > > structures of society which
> > > continue to institutionalize racialism,
> > nationalism
> > > and economic
> > > imperialism, and not focus just on the first and
> > > last strategies. No single
> > > one of them is effective unless all three are
> > > spinning.
> > >
> > > Maybe Springboard should dust off those old
> > > strategies and decide what the
> > > contemporary form of them must be. What do you
> > > think?
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Len Hockley <lenh at efn.org>
> > > To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>;
> > > Order Ecumenical Community
> > > <oe at wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue
> > > <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 4:36:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Century, Same
> > > Crisis--The Social Gospel 100
> > > Years Later
> > >
> > > A good read Randy.
> > >
> > > I always thought there was a basic difference
> > > between Reinhold and H
> > > .Richard. Hooray for H. Richard
> > >
> > > Any way you can see this wisdom to be of use to
> > our
> > > meeting of
> > > "Springboard"?
> > >
> > > Len
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:43 PM 11/2/2007 +0000, R Williams wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Colleagues,
> > >
> > > In the introduction to the G-O-D Lecture in RS-1
> > we
> > > marked the year 1907 as
> > > the beginning of the 20th century, and we grounded
> > > this with events such as
> > > Einstein's theory of relativity, the Bolshevik
> > > Revolution, World War I, etc.
> > > One of the events we did not mention was the
> > > publication in that year of the
> > > book by Walter Rauschenbusch, Christianity and the
> >
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