[Oe List ...] the dead don't get no respect...

George Holcombe geowanda at earthlink.net
Mon Nov 12 02:13:01 EST 2007


I'm not sure of the spelling of the last name.  He was Veronica's  
brother, a member of the Unknown Vice Lords, an associate of GeGe  
Thomas.  He was found dead back in the 70's, I was told, in the alley  
behind the 5th City Center, while I was on assignment in Asia back in  
the 70's.  He was part of the group that helped protect us during the  
riots and was often in attendance when JWM met with the gang members.   
Lingo would know him.

George Holcombe
14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
Austin, TX 78728
Home: 512/252-2756
Mobile 512/294-5952
geowanda at earthlink.net


On Nov 11, 2007, at 7:26 PM, W. J. wrote:

> Thanks, George. That name rings a bell and sparks some memories. Is  
> he dead or alive? And could it be 'Higgenbotham'? Or 'Higginbotham'?
>
> Marshall
>
> I think it will take all of us to put together a really good list.  
> It's amazing how much slips my mind after all these years.
>
> George Holcombe <geowanda at earthlink.net> wrote:
> How about Benard Higgenbottom?
>
> George Holcombe
> Asbury United Methodist Church
> 1605 38 1/2 St.
> Austin, TX 78722
> Home: 512/252-2756
> Church: 512/477-8122
> Mobile 512/294-5952
> geowanda at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:02 PM, W. J. wrote:
>
>> I've been having an amazing time recently putting together the  
>> elements of the two DVD's that will shortly be available through  
>> ICAI. It's been a journey back through our whole history together  
>> since 1965 and even beyond that.
>>
>> And one of the last-minute tasks has been assembling an 'honor  
>> roll' of Fifth Citizens who changed history by their intentional  
>> expenditure and died their deaths. I've called them the Fifth City  
>> Pioneers, since that word 'saint' is so out of fashion if you're  
>> not Mother Teresa.
>>
>> So we have our own Fifth City Saints, and the first qualification  
>> of a saint is that you're dead. I decided that the second  
>> qualification is that somebody remembers your name. And the third  
>> qualification is that you're standing in for the many who will not  
>> be remembered. There's no moral hierarchy here. No saying that one  
>> was better than another, or that one contributed more than another.  
>> 'Cause death is the great equalizer. And they all did their  
>> profound doing together, along with those of us who remain in this  
>> world. But what sets them apart from us is their profound dying.
>>
>> So here's my text so far:
>>
>> We celebrate
>> the courage and creativity
>> of these Fifth Citizens
>> who pioneered in
>> Human Development
>> on behalf of all
>> communities
>>
>> Allen Adams
>> Eugene Beasley
>> James Carter
>> Anna Conar
>> Dorothy Cotton?
>> Helen Eskridge
>> Evelyn Mathews Edwards
>> Ray Fox
>> Flozell Foy
>> William Glover
>> Joseph Wesley Mathews
>> Joseph Pierce
>> Mildred Robinson
>> James Steplight
>> Charlie Stewart
>> Gregory Thomas
>> Tom Washington
>>
>> It's interesting that there are many we don't remember clearly or  
>> don't know for sure have met the first criterion. But there they  
>> are. Quite a list, huh? Kind of like that scene in Our Town where  
>> all the dead people are sitting in rows of chairs in the cemetery  
>> and talking with each other. About us!
>>
>> And...someday we'll all be added to the list.
>>
>> I said to Ruth Carter that I wanted to finish this DVD project so I  
>> could die happy. And that, y'know, we don't have a cemetery in  
>> Fifth City where we could all be buried and maybe remembered with a  
>> tombstone. Then I thought: that whole place is holy ground, not  
>> just the cemetary we don't have. We don't have the tombstones to  
>> remember people by, but we will have the DVD that will carry their  
>> names on a digital list and tell our stories.
>>
>> Then I put together a second list, this one with the names of the  
>> living legends of Fifth City. Here it is:
>>
>> ...and the extraordinary service
>> of these Fifth City leaders:
>>
>> Ruth Carter
>> Booker Davis
>> Minnie Dunlap
>> Lillie Fox
>> Gladys Hamilton
>> George McNeil
>> Lela Mosley
>> Bertha Pinkston
>> Floyd Stanley
>> Verdell Trice
>>
>> Also quite a list! They may be old, but they're not yet totally  
>> dead, as far as we know.
>>
>> So if you have any stories or reflections you'd like to share about  
>> any of these folks, please do so. And if there are any names that  
>> you'd like to add or subtract, please let me know.
>>
>> Marshall Jones
>>
>>
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