[Oe List ...] Respectful Dialogue

Fri Oct 12 16:01:33 EDT 2007

Nancy,

	If you are afraid of the Avian Flu and think that Dick Cheney running 
up and down the coast with a bird gun is not a viable option, I market 
air purifiers that handle the Avian flu. In 30 seconds it renders the 
DNA in the nucleus inoperable and completely wipes it out in less than 
24 hours.  We use a special technology that was granted to us by NASA 
and it also is the only technology that will kill the dangerous 
superbugs (MRSA) also in less than 24 hours.  I am putting them in a 
local hospital and they are removing the infections that are causing 
too many sicknesses and deaths.

Just letting you know that there is effective technology out there.

Regards to Fred.

Bill Alerding
On Oct 12, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Nancy Lanphear wrote:

> Dear Friends, 
>
> As we were forming our community of Songaia, we decided that we would 
> use consensus for decision making.  However, we have the gift of 
> having a couple of folks who hold us to hearing and honoring each 
> individual voice in the process and the concern that Herman voiced is 
> acknowledged.  Of course, this sometimes works better than others, but 
> we put energy into making it work.  Nearly 8 years later, we have 
> another way of processing  - it is called a decision board.  An 
> individual or committee can write a proposal, send it out by email and 
> post it on the decision board.  The name of each community member is 
> listed on the proposal followed by 3 columns: 1)  I agree, 2) I need 
> more discussion, 3) I will help fund the project.  If there are folks 
> (1 or more) who need more discussion, we set a time and gather folks 
> to work it through.  Folks who want to see the project happen might 
> help to fund it or we request money from our abundant fund to carry 
> out the project.  There are times when folks will stand aside but not 
> block the decision but usually we work at the proposal so that people 
> are ready to go with it.  There continue to be decisions that we need 
> to talk through as a whole group - and so we do.  
>
> Let me give a fun example:  Early on in our life together, one family 
> wanted to have chickens.  The chickens would provide us with eggs, an 
> education about where our eggs and chicken meat came from (not the 
> supermarket), and how it gets to our table (killing), and fertilizer 
> for the garden.  Several folks in the community were quite concerned 
> about the noise (roosters), some did not want the smell around the 
> community.  No one really wanted the chicken coop in their "back 
> yard.   About 2 years ago, 3 folks stepped forward with a proposal - 
> no roosters and the coop (a chicken tractor*) would be placed in the 
> garden (not really in anyone's back yard).  Well - there was still a 
> concern about the original two issues plus a third big issue - AVIAN 
> FLU!  
>
> Fred gathered folks together for conversations and explained how the 
> noise and smell were being dealt with - folks seemed to understand at 
> this point.  The avian flu was a tough one- but it was decided that if 
> avian flu showed up in the USA, we would get rid of the chickens.  
>  Finally we had consensus given the explanations of how the project 
> would be handled AND a hearty YES from the 11 children in the 
> community.  
>
> The saga continues - we all love the chickens, the eggs AND the one 
> rooster who came with the lot of chicks (sometimes telling their sex 
> at birth is difficult) in the beginning.  He crows at any time of day 
> or night but he helps structure the lives of the hens in a rather 
> creative way!
>
> *Our chicken tractor is quite a sight.  The house (8 ft X 3 ft) is 
> made of green plastic siding with a roost and 3 nests inside.  It can 
> be moved each week since it is built on 2 riding mower  wheels and has 
> a handle on the back side.  There are two portable chicken runs, one 
> on each end of the coop which detach for moving purposes.  Food and 
> water are piped into the coop.  The coop/runs are designed to fit into 
> our garden beds.  These birds have become part of our recycling 
> program here at Songaia, they eat nearly all of our scraps from the 
> kitchen.
>
> (In case you would like to have such a feature (chicken coop and run)  
> in your yard, please send $1.00 to Fred.)   
>
> Yours in community and in fun, 
>
> Nancy
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2007, at 5:38 AM, Herman Greene wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Most small groups effectively do work by consensus. Yet, consensus is 
>> something I cannot back as a policy for virtually any group. It too 
>> easily becomes a form of tyranny of the majority over the minority.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Herman
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On 
>> Behalf Of George Holcombe
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:28 AM
>> To: ICA LIST SERVE; Order Ecumenical Community
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Respectful Dialogue
>>
>>  
>>
>> A memory flashes back out of these last few days of emails.
>>
>>  
>>
>> We used to say:
>>
>> 1. Humor is better than seriousness.
>>
>> 2. Yes before no
>>
>> 3. Phariseeism more dangerous than libertinism
>>
>>  
>>
>> It's interesting that the World Council of Churches has now 
>> introduced consensus making as its form of decision making and that 
>> the United Methodist Church in its reorganization as a global church 
>> is looking at adapting that too at the next General Conference.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Wouldn't it be a pity if we forgot what we pushed into history along 
>> with others, and if what defined us is what we choose to remember 
>> about our past and what offends us about others.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Could it be we are being challenged to learn how to use email as a 
>> significant way to push us into the future?
>>
>>
>> George Holcombe
>>
>> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
>>
>> Austin, TX 78728
>>
>> Home: 512/252-2756
>>
>> Mobile 512/294-5952
>>
>> geowanda at earthlink.net
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