[Oe List ...] Wal-Mart and the weapons of mass destruction

Tue Apr 8 16:33:21 EDT 2008

Another of our principles was, attract new money into the community.  Here's an interesting fact relative to that.  In the good old USA the primary source of new money, especially in smaller communities, is government entitlements; social security, welfare, medicare/medicaid and the like.

  Randy

facilitationfla at aol.com wrote:
  I don't think we (ICA/EI) knew a helluva lot about economics.

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From: Marianna Bailey <wmbailey at charter.net>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 3:04 pm
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    #AOLMsgPart_3_ceb96c92-b808-49c7-871e-87422cd4d35b DIV {    MARGIN: 0px}    Let's not forget the economic principles that we used in human development projects.Money should circulate 5 times before it leaves a community. When Wal-Mart comes into a town small family owned businesses that have been their for several generations go out of business. The family owned business circulated the money 5 times and use to pay living wages. Wal-Mart pays low wages and the money leaves the community everyday. What we gain short term by low prices does not reflect the long term consequences of our local economy.
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  From: Charles or Doris Hahn 
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    I want to second Randy's comments, and add another concern.  We shop a little at Walmart here in Bloomington and earlier in Bastrop.  The people we see in Walmart are primarily people in well-worn clothes, many are unkempt, i.e. they are people one the lower end of economic hierarchy.  If they have a job, they do not make much, and perhaps they have more than one part-time job.  They can't go to Macy's and it's many equivalents.  Also Walmart has no more imports than Macy's, or Talbots, or Penny's, or Sears, or Target.   I do not see aged, or handicapped, or many minorities working at Macy's, etc.  Enough badmouthing  Walmart!!!
  Charles Hahn

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Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 8:53:39 AM
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  I am in complete agreement with everything George, Jon, Marshall, et al are saying about Walmart.  But there is one little twinge I have.  In our town of 5,600 people there is a Walmart of course, and I have been in there.  Here's my twinge.  The employees there, regardless of deplorable wages, benefits, working conditions and the rest, because of education, age, disabilities or whatever, likely would not have jobs anywhere else.  What are we to think of them?

  Randy

George Holcombe <geowanda at earthlink.net> wrote:
  I suppose we're fortunate in Austin, TX, many of our local chains like H.E.B. and Fiesta have better prices on the items that we buy than Wal Mart.  I understand that due to a suit that Wall Mart has withdrawn its claim to have the lowest prices.  Both H.E.B. and Fiesta have far better and fresher produce than Wal Mart.  I wouldn't doubt that because of the fuel increases and the far flung shipping  routes that Wal Mart uses, the locals, who buy local, may have an advantage in their costs and prices for their customers.   
      George Holcombe
  14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
  Austin, TX 78728
  Home: 512/252-2756
  Mobile 512/294-5952
  geowanda at earthlink.net

  On Apr 7, 2008, at 3:08 PM, jonzondo at juno.com wrote:
    I have not shopped at WalMart in years.  And what I find amazing is the number of "aware" persons in my life who have a bundle of excuses for why they continue to shop at Walmart.  The brainwashing machine surely seems to work sometimes, eh?

My new idea is that for the next person I know who speaks of shopping for something at WalMart, I will offer to pay the difference if they go to another store.  I wonder what will happen with that idea...
  In Balance,   Jon

-- "W. J." <synergi at yahoo.com> wrote:

  But wait! Wal-Mart is just a good target for our outrage, After all, it's the world's most powerful delivery system for exploiting a global market economy which wields the economic weapons of mass destruction.

  Ah, yes. The tyranny of the economic process. It's coming back to bite even those of the affluent 15% who believed that the U.S. housing market would never deflate, and bought in at the top of the speculative bubble. (For the story in Wiegel's area, see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/realestate/keymagazine/406ariz-t.html?ei=5087&em=&en=136025ebaea46e85&ex=1207713600&pagewanted=all)

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