[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies

Mon Sep 8 13:01:29 EDT 2008

We had some in-law's staying with us for a while, during the previous election here and I tried to get a conversation going with my brother in law about politics (a focused conversation, mind you, not just any conversation) and he did this little speech about not talking politics in the family for uncertainty of what might happen . . .

Since then, I find myself thinking that there is a depth of difference and a depth of emotion that gets stirred up (venom, if you will) in the political / electoral process that is beyond what is easily ORID able.  It may have to do with touching deeply enough to actually mobilize enough people to pick someone, not sure . . .

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--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tim Casswell <timcasswell at creativeconnection.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Tim Casswell <timcasswell at creativeconnection.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
> To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>, "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 8:26 AM
> However much I feel uncomfortable about Sarah Palin and her
> views I am
> disturbed by the venom in these emails. I realise that this
> is your country
> and your politician, I have no right to challenge your
> thinking, but I think
> you are better than that this sort of rhetoric reveals.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Adelbert Batica <abatica at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community
> <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:50:08 -0500
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>,
> <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
> 
> Marshall -
> 
> Remember in the 90's...when Rush Limbaugh was ranting
> and raving about
> "FEMINAZIS"?!  Well....he was barking up the
> wrong tree at the time.
> 
> But now...you have the One, the Only, the
> Genuine...FEMINAZI.  Had she been
> born in Germany in some other age, she could have
> been...Sarah Hitler von
> Palin.
> 
> Watch out, folks, the Nazis are coming!
> 
> Addi
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:20:57 -0700
> From: synergi at yahoo.com
> To: oe at wedgeblade.net; dialogue at wedgeblade.net
> Subject: [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
> 
> OK, I watched the speech intensvely, like many other
> Americans. And it was a
> great media event. She did a superb job of reading the
> teleprompter after
> practicing all week. She was poised, even sexy, and had the
> right delivery
> rhythms to wow the Republican audience. And she went after
> Obama with some
> great lines written for her by the best in the West!
>  
> She also used her family as a Great American Story. . .of
> faith and freedom
> and being generously rewarded as a very popular governor.
> So what's not to
> like?
>  
> Well, for starters, she simply glossed over the truth of
> her own experience.
>  
> While she was immersed in being governess of our largest
> state (with the
> smallest population per square mile) and handing out
> billions in bonuses to
> Alaskan citizens, her oldest daughter Bristol was sneaking
> around and
> getting knocked up by some 18 year old named Levi Johnston
> who likes to
> snowboard and ride dirt bikes, and boasts on his MySpace
> page:
>  
> "I'm a fuckin' redneck."
> "But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and
> hang out with the boys,
> do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin'
> chillin' I guess."
> "Ya fuck with me I'll kick [your] ass," he
> added.
> He also claims to be "in a relationship," but
> states, "I don't want kids."
>  
> So that's the kind of marriage material Bristol is
> being forced to get
> locked into, to protect the image of her Republican family.
>  
> What's worse, the whole experience exposes the
> hypocrisy of Sarah's
> ideological embrace of Abstinence Only Sex Education.
>  
> Well it didn't work for her own family because it
> enforces the myth of
> prolonged virginity, despite the truth that the Pledge
> doesn't prolong
> virginity for those who take it. So Bristol didn't have
> the option of being
> honest with her parents, and receiving appropriate guidance
> and counseling
> that could have protected her from an unwanted pregnancy,
> because she had to
> protect the myth and embrace the family lie.
>  
> She didn't have the option of learning how to apply,
> use, and remove a
> condom safely to avoid unwanted exposure to Levi's
> sperm. Nor did she have
> the option of even discussing abortion as an alternative.
> She also does not
> have the option--or the self-awareness--to avoid a bad
> marriage and raise
> her child as a single mother. Or to put the child up for
> adoption.
>  
> And if she took huge risks either in ignorance, in the heat
> of the moment,
> or perhaps in defiance of her parents' stated values or
> in reaction to the
> dishonesty of her relationship with them, what does that
> say about their
> parenting skills?
>  
> And if she deliberately got pregnant to snare this no-good
> in a shotgun
> wedding and bail out of her parents' control, what does
> that say about her
> maturity?
>  
> Now she's totally out of options. The only option she
> and Levi have is of
> going through with the wedding for the sake of Republican
> politics to become
> the teenage poster children of responsible family creation
> for all American
> teens. As well as a cautionary tale for all of us.
>  
> So what's all this got to do with running the White
> House?
>  
> Simply put, Sarah Palin embraces an extreme right wing
> Republican ideology
> which is an inappropriate context for making life and death
> decisions about
> the fate of this nation and the world. Pervasive lying in
> your own family,
> protecting some ideal of "purity," translates
> into pervasive lying to the
> American public to protect some right wing ideal, rather
> than the straight
> talk for which John McCain likes to be known.
>  
> Not a stretch. And that's really all she knows. It has
> worked for her up to
> this point, unless she gets taken to the cleaners on the
> influence charge of
> intervening to get her sister's 'Ex-' fired as
> a state cop.
>  
> The real story of Sarah Palin is that you do anything you
> think you can get
> away with that's in your perceived short term interest
> while applying the
> lipstick that separates you from the pit bulls and smiling
> into the camera
> while you ply your right wing ideology to make the
> Evangelical voters pull
> the lever.  God help us while she figures out what to do
> once she gets into
> office.
>  
> Marshall
>  
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