[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies

Mon Sep 8 16:21:34 EDT 2008

I appreciate Tim's comments.  I have been one who has admonished people to value diversity and not demonize those with who differ.  I like that thought, but frequently such words sound hollow and idealistic and I invariably find myself responding inkind to those who would demonize me.

My next door neighbor is the wrath of God in my life.  (Some of you will remember that lead-in.)  The other day when I repeated to him the thought about valuing diversity and not demonizing those who differ, he responded, "Well, you just don't believe in evil."  It took me at least 15 seconds to make the leap he had just made.  Finally I realized that he was assuming if you value those who are different, then everyone and their position, whatever it is, is good, a kind of "I'm OK, You're OK."  Then he amplified his point. "Let's face it.  There are good people and there are bad people in the world.  When you get right down to it, everything is pretty black and white."  

As most of us know, not the way it works.  A fact well grounded theologically and throughout human history is that there is good and evil in all of us.  It's just a little harder to grasp during certain times (like national elections) and in regard to certain people (like Karl Rove and Sarah Palin).  At the end of the day none of us--candidates, parties or electorate--will come out of this with clean hands.  So I hope we all go ahead and speak our minds throughout "the whole catastrophe."  We can always beg forgiveness later.  

Randy Wlliams

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, David Walters <walters at alaweb.com> wrote:

From: David Walters <walters at alaweb.com>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:45 AM

I would say that the rhetoric that seems to be so offensive to Tim is really their attemps to stand present to the transparency of Sarah Palin's political ideology. What he perceives as venom from  Addie and Marshall is only a frank assessment of the reality behind those who would push out a political neophyte to center stage to distract the voting populace from the true motivations of her handlers. 

David Walters 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tim Casswell 
To: Order Ecumenical Community ; Colleague Dialogue 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies

However much I feel uncomfortable about Sarah Palin and her views I am disturbed by the venom in these emails. I realise that this is your country and your politician, I have no right to challenge your thinking, but I think you are better than that this sort of rhetoric reveals. 

Tim

From: Adelbert Batica <abatica at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:50:08 -0500
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>, <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Palin's Lies

Marshall -

Remember in the 90's...when Rush Limbaugh was ranting and raving about "FEMINAZIS"?!  Well....he was barking up the wrong tree at the time.

But now...you have the One, the Only, the Genuine...FEMINAZI.  Had she been born in Germany in some other age, she could have been...Sarah Hitler von Palin.

Watch out, folks, the Nazis are coming!

Addi

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:20:57 -0700
From: synergi at yahoo.com
To: oe at wedgeblade.net; dialogue at wedgeblade.net
Subject: [Dialogue] Palin's Lies

OK, I watched the speech intensvely, like many other Americans. And it was a great media event. She did a superb job of reading the teleprompter after practicing all week. She was poised, even sexy, and had the right delivery rhythms to wow the Republican audience. And she went after Obama with some great lines written for her by the best in the West! 

She also used her family as a Great American Story. . .of faith and freedom and being generously rewarded as a very popular governor. So what's not to like?

Well, for starters, she simply glossed over the truth of her own experience.. 

While she was immersed in being governess of our largest state (with the smallest population per square mile) and handing out billions in bonuses to Alaskan citizens, her oldest daughter Bristol was sneaking around and getting knocked up by some 18 year old named Levi Johnston who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes, and boasts on his MySpace page:

"I'm a fuckin' redneck." 
"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin' chillin' I guess."
"Ya fuck with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.
He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

So that's the kind of marriage material Bristol is being forced to get locked into, to protect the image of her Republican family.

What's worse, the whole experience exposes the hypocrisy of Sarah's ideological embrace of Abstinence Only Sex Education. 

Well it didn't work for her own family because it enforces the myth of prolonged virginity, despite the truth that the Pledge doesn't prolong virginity for those who take it. So Bristol didn't have the option of being honest with her parents, and receiving appropriate guidance and counseling that could have protected her from an unwanted pregnancy, because she had to protect the myth and embrace the family lie. 

She didn't have the option of learning how to apply, use, and remove a condom safely to avoid unwanted exposure to Levi's sperm. Nor did she have the option of even discussing abortion as an alternative. She also does not have the option--or the self-awareness--to avoid a bad marriage and raise her child as a single mother. Or to put the child up for adoption.

And if she took huge risks either in ignorance, in the heat of the moment, or perhaps in defiance of her parents' stated values or in reaction to the dishonesty of her relationship with them, what does that say about their parenting skills?

And if she deliberately got pregnant to snare this no-good in a shotgun wedding and bail out of her parents' control, what does that say about her maturity?

Now she's totally out of options. The only option she and Levi have is of going through with the wedding for the sake of Republican politics to become the teenage poster children of responsible family creation for all American teens. As well as a cautionary tale for all of us.

So what's all this got to do with running the White House?

Simply put, Sarah Palin embraces an extreme right wing Republican ideology which is an inappropriate context for making life and death decisions about the fate of this nation and the world. Pervasive lying in your own family, protecting some ideal of "purity," translates into pervasive lying to the American public to protect some right wing ideal, rather than the straight talk for which John McCain likes to be known. 

Not a stretch. And that's really all she knows. It has worked for her up to this point, unless she gets taken to the cleaners on the influence charge of intervening to get her sister's 'Ex-' fired as a state cop. 

The real story of Sarah Palin is that you do anything you think you can get away with that's in your perceived short term interest while applying the lipstick that separates you from the pit bulls and smiling into the camera while you ply your right wing ideology to make the Evangelical voters pull the lever.  God help us while she figures out what to do once she gets into office.

Marshall

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