[Oe List ...] Salmon on untrue propaganda

[jonzondo at juno.com]

couple of quick thoughts...
1) it seems like this story may be true based on some of the recent emails we have received on this listserve
and more importantly
2) I wasn't going to vote for McCain anyway... this story does nothing to make me want to vote LESS for him... these stories are important only as they serve to help those on the fence (and I'm hearing that there are a LOT of people on the fence) to see the authentic "John McCain"   I hope this story, if it is accurate, I hope it does reach a few fence sitters.  
3) as I was watching part of the debates, I noticed that (it seemed that) both Obama and McCain were against torture and for veterans benefits... to both of them I say, SHOW ME.  Everyone in Washington DC is responsible for the current lack of action regarding both issues.  Neither issue has been addressed fully.  
May the conversation continue!
Jon Elizondo

-- "William Salmon" <wsalmon at cox.net> wrote:

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />Colleagues on the Journey--
            Tit-for-Tat emailing usually is from a propaganda machine. The following emailed material is NOT TRUE, yet it seeks to condemn John McCain’s candidacy. The problem with this kind of material is that it forgets that both candidates are earthen vessels with clay feet; both are human and make mistakes in judgments and decisions. There is enough in what both candidates do that it is not necessary to invent untruths. 
            In order to more beyond this stuff, it is necessary to clarify in your own mind a political philosophy and stick with the candidate—not matter what we hear as true or false—because they represent the direction you support to take the nation in the direction you believe is best while solving the social and economic issues at hand. 
            For me, this is why I’m a Democrat, and I’m ashamed of such efforts to belittle another candidate. This kind of stuff only inspires others to be mean spirited. 
            Again, the following has been repudiated as being mean spirited. On behalf of all this kind of crap, I apologize to John McCain, just as I apologize to Barack Obama for the mean spirited untruths that are spread during divisive campaigns as this. 
            Bill Salmon
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Mary-Kay Gamel, or at least someone using her name, has posted to another list that she did not author this statement, knows nothing about it and has never been to <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Turtle Island.
Randy
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Ruth Landmann <tddynewf at cruzio.com> wrote:
From: Ruth Landmann <tddynewf at cruzio.com>
Subject: [Oe List ...] A local professor's experience with McCain
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:55 AM 
 
Hi Everyone,
        The following came from a friend of mine...
Ruth
Hello:
This was written by a former professor of mine from UCSC. She teaches Classical Literature. She's a calm, wise person. She's real. This is not a chain letter. You can email her if you'd like.
Linden
            I realize I am preaching to the choir, but in the hopes that you know anyone on the fence, here goes:

MY HOLIDAY WITH JOHN McCAIN

            It was just before John McCain's last run at the presidential nomination in 2000 that my husband and I vacationed in Turtle Island in Fiji with John McCain, Cindy, and their children, including Bridget (their adopted Bangladeshi child).
It was not our intention, but it was our misfortune to be in close quarters with John McCain for almost a week, since Turtle Island has a small number of bungalows and their focus on communal meals force all vacationers who are there at the same time to get to know each other intimately.
He arrived at our first group meal and started reading quotes from a pile of William Faulkner books with a forest of Post-Its sticking out of them. As an English Literature major myself, my first thought was "if he likes this so much, why hasn't he memorized any of this yet?" I soon realized that McCain actually thought we had come on vacation to be a volunteer audience for his "readings" which then became a regular part of each meal. Out of politeness, none of the vacationers initially protested at this intrusion into their blissful holiday, but people's buttons definitely got pushed as the readings continued day after day.
Unfortunately this was not his only contribution to our mealtime entertainment. He waxed on during one meal about how Indo-Chine women had the best figures and that our American corn-fed women just couldn't meet up to this standard. He also made it a point that all of us should stop Cindy from having dessert as her weight was too high and made a few comments to Amy, the 25 year old wife of the honeymooning couple from Nebraska that she should eat less as she needed to lose weight.
McCain's appreciation of the beauty of Asian women was so great that David the American economist had to move his Thai wife to the other side of the table from McCain as McCain kept aggressively flirting with and touching her.
Needless to say I was irritated at his large ego and his rude behavior towards his wife and other women, but decided he must have some redeeming qualities as he had adopted a handicapped child from Bangladesh. I asked him about this one day, and his response was shocking: "Oh, that was Cindy's idea â*" I didn't have anything to do with it. She just went and adopted this thing without even asking me. You can't imagine how people stare when I wheel this ugly, black thing around in a shopping cart in Arizona . No, it wasn't my idea at all."
I actively avoided McCain after that, but unfortunately one day he engaged me in a political discussion which soon got us on the topic of the active US bombing of Iraq at that time. I was shocked when he said, "If I was in charge, I would nuke Iraq to teach them a lesson". Given McCain's personal experience with the horrors of war, I had expected a more balanced point of view. I commented on the tragic consequences of the nuclear attacks on Japan during WWII â*"- but no, he was not to be dissuaded. He went on to say that if it was up to him he would have dropped many more nuclear bombs on Japan. I rapidly extricated myself from this conversation as I could tell that his experience being tortured as a POW didn't seem to have mellowed out his perspective, but rather had made him more aggressive and vengeful towards the world.
My final encounter with McCain was on the morning that he was leaving Turtle Island. Amy and I were happily eating pancakes when McCain arrived and told Amy that she shouldn't be having pancakes because she needed to lose weight. Amy burst into tears at this abusive comment. I felt fiercely protective of Amy and immediately turned to McCain and told him to leave her alone. He became very angry and abusive towards me, and said, "Don't you know who I am." I looked him in the face and said, "Yes, you are the biggest asshole I have ever met" and headed back to my cabin. I am happy to say that later that day when I arrived at lunch I was given a standing ovation by all the guests for having stood up to McCain's bullying.
Although I have shared my McCain story informally with friends, this is the first time I am making this public. I almost did so in 2000, when McCain first announced his bid for the Republican nomination, but it soon became apparent that George Bush was the shoo-in candidate and so I did not act then. However, now that there is a very real possibility that McCain could be elected as our next president, I feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this story. I can't imagine a more scary outcome for America than that this abusive, aggressive man should lead our nation. I have observed him in intimate surroundings as he really is, not how the media portrays him to be. If his attitudes toward women and his treatment of his own family are even a small indicator of his real personality, then I shudder to think what will happen to America were he to be elected as our President.
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Mary-Kay Gamel
Professor of Classics, Comparative Literature, and Theater Arts
Cowell College
University of California, Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
831-459-2381 (office); 831-429-8803 (home)
mkgamel at ucsc.edu
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