[Oe List ...] Perfection, continued

[Sunny Walker]

And as usual, who's to say what's perfect (rendering up to history and all
that.) - Mother Teresa had a point: "If you judge people,
you have no time to love them."

Sunny

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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
Of W. J.
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:38 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Perfection, continued

 

Funny thing is, I didn't read anything in Randy's post about
incompletion/completion etc. that mentioned John Wesley's understanding of
sanctification as being made perfect in love -- in this lifetime. "Are you
going on to perfection?" and "Do you earnestly desire it?" are questions
asked of Wesleyan ordinands that elicit an awareness of openness to the
event/presence of grace and the process of transformation -- another
important theme Randy missed (or obscured).

 

The classic understanding is that grace strikes or intrudes from without as
a wake-up call, not that we just get wholer and wholer on our own -- that
would be the classic Pelagian heresy (see Tillich's History of Christian
Thought for more on Pelagius). Of course we're all semi-Pelagians (Tillich
again) who believe that human readiness (to "earnestly desire it") makes a
huge difference. 

 

Classic "piety" (in whatever flavor) is expressed in ossified practices that
were once (and possibly may once again be) the occasion for opening
consciousness to to an infusion of Spirit. Our work on the NRM is a
wonderful postmodern doorway to the process of sanctification.

 

May you all grow in grace and peace, even unto the end of your days.

 

Marshall

    

 

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From: "KarenBueno at aol.com" <KarenBueno at aol.com>
To: oe at wedgeblade.net
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 9:04:13 AM
Subject: [Oe List ...] Perfection, continued




Here are some words of John Wesley:

 

"Perfection is nothing higher and nothing lower than this:  the pure love of
God and human beings.  In other words, loving God with all our heart and
soul, and our neighbor as ourselves.  It is love governing the heart and
life, running through all our tempers, words, and actions."

 

Karen Bueno

 

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