[Oe List ...] Helpful books on White and Tan Urs

Tue May 12 19:27:14 EDT 2009

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--- On Tue, 5/12/09, David Walters <walters at alaweb.com> wrote:

> From: David Walters <walters at alaweb.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Helpful books on White and Tan Urs
> To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 3:02 PM
> I would think that the papers that were used in the Academy
> for the cousre on the Six Urs would be heplful. I also
> remember that sereval writers were mentioned during the
> lectures.
> David Walters
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: W. J. 
>   To: Order Ecumenical Community 
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:04 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Helpful books on White and Tan
> Urs
> 
> 
>   Maybe JWM was referencing the Sumerian City of Ur, but I
> think it more likely that we used "UR-" accurately
> as the Old High German prefix that has the following
> definition:
> 
> 
>   ur- (sometimes initial capital letter)
>         a combining form meaning “earliest, original,”
> used in words denoting the primal stage of a historical or
> cultural entity or phenomenon: ur-civilization; urtext. 
> 
> 
> 
>   Example of usage:
>     "Some stories reach deeper, into the most primal
> and profound truths. They mirror, in new and original ways,
> the Ur-myth, the act of creation itself."
>   John Adcox, 'Can Fantasy be Myth? Mythopoeia and The
> Lord of the Rings', The Newsletter of the Mythic
> Imagination Institute, 2003
> 
> 
>   So the UR-Images are those primitive, primordial images
> that shape human consciousness, and within which we live as
> culturally distinctive (and largely not conscious) ways of
> being in the world.
> 
> 
>   Marshall
> 
> 
>   This message was brought to you out of the gift of living
> in rationality, which is an UR-Image that I still treasure!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>   From: Charles or Doris Hahn <cdhahn at flash.net>
>   To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:18:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Helpful books on White and Tan
> Urs
> 
> 
>   Hi Mark,
>   I can't help you much with book titles right now. 
> However, I am quite certain that Joe Mathews, when we
> working on this area, picked the word "Ur" from
> the phrase Ur of the Chaldees, the home of Abraham.  Ur was
> on the Euphrates in southern Mesopotamia in what is now Iraq
> as I recall.  I just looked it up in the Interpreters
> Dictionary of the Bible, and this is correct.   I think Joe
> picked the word because it in his mind pointed to the
> primordial origins. 
> 
>   Doris and I along with Joe and Carol Pierce did the
> research trip to Continent Seapac in the Fall Quarter of
> 1966.  We went to every Arab nation plus Israel and Iran in
> our twelve week journey. Doris has remembered that the most
> helpful book we found on the Arab world was one done by
> Aramco (the Arabian-American Oil Company).  Neither of us
> can remember the title.  I think Aramco was a consortium of
> American oil companies who had joined to develop the huge
> oil fields of Saudia Arabia.  It was headquartered in
> Daharan, Saudi Arabia.  Perhaps the Saudis have taken over
> control of all oil production today.  I do not know. 
> Perhaps there is enough information here for you to track
> down this book.
>   It is great to see your name on the OE listserve.   Are
> you still in Ohio?  /we now live in Bloomington, IN.
>   We might see you some time if you are close.
>   Charles Hahn
> 
> 
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>   From: "MJDOVE at aol.com" <MJDOVE at aol.com>
>   To: OE at wedgeblade.net
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:21:45 AM
>   Subject: [Oe List ...] Helpful books on White and Tan Urs
> 
> 
>   I need some recommended books that deal with the deeps of
> cultural understanding for both the Tan and White Urs. 
> Where did the word "ur" come from.  Any help would
> be appreciated.  Mark Dove
> 
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