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[R Williams]

Jack, Herman, and everyone,
 
One of the most important phrases in the statement by Joe that Marge found is, "Society is relationships..."  I think we could go one step further and say, life is relationships.  When we did the social process triangles we worked hard on the internal dynamics and, as an afterthought (or so it seemed to me), we drew those arcs outside the triangle showing how each of the three major poles related to each other.  I'd have to dig to remember what they were.
 
If we did some kind of universe triangle today, we might put the human community on one pole, the other-than-human or natural community on another and the earth community on the third (Herman, I think these might be Thomas' categories), or whatever they may be.  But here's my point.  It seems to me the arcs outside the triangle showing the relationships of the various parts to each other may be more important, than the sub-levels inside each triangle.  
 
Just a thought,
Randy

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org> wrote:


From: Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] archives
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 1:59 PM


Herman,

I have done some work on this question.  I said to myself that the 'foundational process' is what I called The Natural Process but I think Earth Process would work as well.      On the right side I had the Social Process, the 'organizing process' and at the top I had the Human Process, the 'meaning process'.  I call the whole new triangle the Creative Process, but there might be another name that would be better.  I have worked through a couple of levels of the the two new triangles but am not ready to share just yet.  A good "research project" for the Diaspora!

Jack
On Nov 21, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Herman Greene wrote:

> That's a good statement and worth archiving!
> 
> Occasionally I muse on how to place the social process into the Earth
> process. I haven't had a brilliant idea about this yet. One approach is to
> have an Earth process set of triangles (like the carbon cycle, the
> hydrological cycle, etc.) parallel to the social process. Another approach
> is to have the Earth process in the middle triangle of the social process
> triangles. Another is to redo the social process triangles to include
> interactions with nature.
> 
> I haven't really done much except muse about this. (One approach I saw that
> I question is to apply the social process to nature--it's not entirely
> unfruitful but it seems like an artificial imposition on the natural
> processes rather than beginning with the natural process itself.)
> 
> I wonder if anyone else has thought about this.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
> Of Marge Philbrook
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: Colleague Dialogue; OE list
> Subject: [Oe List ...] archives
> 
> I'm having fun trying to figure out my plan for the archives.  I just
> found this note in Joe's handwriting.
> "1.  The social process is a complex dynamic that involves the
> inter-relation of the Economic processes (which maintain basic
> existence); the Political processes (which provides social existence);
> and the Cultural processes (which enables rational or intentional
> existence.  Because the social process is dynamical in nature, none of
> these separate processes exists in itself.  Each is dependent on the
> others.  Society is relationships, when one part is malfunctioning or
> tyranizing over the others society as a whole is ill.
> 2."  There was no 2.
> 
> So where should I file this? in B401 Joe's papers, or G1904 the Social
> Process category which I just added to the list as I have gone over
> material about researching the social process triangles.
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