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[Janet Sanders]

Yes Laurel, that's Richard.  Thanks for pulling it out.  Jan

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  Herman, Your question of expanding the Social Process Triangles to include the natural world sent me to my own archives, my notes from the New  Cosmology course  I took at UCS in 1998, taught by Bryan Swimme, Jo Anna Macy and Stuart Cowen. In the folder, I found a printout of an ica-dialogue e-mail Witness, dated March 27, 2000, "From the computer of Jan (Sanders) and Richard. I assume Richard Sims wrote it because of the pedagogue story. I hope they don't mind me resending it. I obviously loved it.

  Hey out there all you frogs.

  You know how to program the flipper to get the weather channel;

  Can you read the times in which we live?

  Well, fellow frogs, we have a new creation story for our time. I never really got into that earth on the back of a turtle thing anyway. We now have : 'In the beginning originating power burst forth.....' This story has Oscar quality appeal: special effects with incredibly creative and destructive capabilities, a trans-human focus, violence, pre-sex, interspecies consumption, objects coming in and out of being without explanation, and enough plot twists and turns to keep you completely baffled up to the present moment.

  So, you have probably asked yourself, Where is the church in this primal flaring forth?

  The hint is found in the 'sacrifice appendix'. The sacrifice dynamic in the flaring forth is not integrated into this telling of the story. It had to be glued on like a fifth frog leg. But it shows up in the process well before the human species gets written into the script.

  Since we have expanded the social process triangles beyond human sociality to include all of existence, the church/sacrificial dynamic includes not only 'innocent human suffering' (one of my favorite theological phrases) but the suffering of the earth and of plants animals water air and nebula 307. Nothing however, for me, replaces the intensity of the pain, disillusionment, and alienation caused by the experience of social injustice, personally or group to group. It wasn't fair that classical religions were called out of being in the midst of my career as an order-grounded, movemental church renewer, leaving me spiritually and vocationally stranded. I take responsibility for not having the initiative to develop a successful career upon reentry into the mainstream, but I had nothing to do with taking ''every single human being needs RS-1' out of existence and I deeply resent whoever did it. I was destined to be a great pedagogue. Put that on my cremation box: 'he was almost the fifth ranked pedagogue in the whole world'.

  Some people experience life as a desert. Some people experience life as a lush banquet. Some experience every encounter in life as providing material to further the crusade for a deeply committed, perhaps cosmic, cause.

  So what instruction is the look of the sky giving us about our times? PBS in our area recent broadcast the US women's suffrage documentary. SB Anthony was the political will of that movement but Elizabeth Cady Stanton was the spiritual force. She was never satisfied, was always articulating new, expanded goals..And she was only attempting to bring the social injustices (slavery, women's rights) of her times into balance. Truth is radical. It wakes you up in the night. It gets in your face and demands a decision. What is the truth in the year 2000? What is our unfolding cosmos demanding of the human species? What is the form and role of the Church? Is it the seven streams of the Millennium Conference? Is there a movement in our future? Is the movement the mosaic formed by those engaged in a multitude of causes? Is there a single structure?

  Someone called us the people of the question. I would settle for some answers.

  Metaphor of the frog without permission.


  Herman, I'll send you a  hard copy of my paper for that course, which was called "Granny as Ecozoic Visionary", based on the theory of Imaginal Education.

  Thanks for the inquiry that took me to this folder. When I was diagnosed with lymphoma the following year, this vision was put aside to pursue wellness.

  I hope people who reply to your Project will also talk a little about how their knowing/doing/being in the post-Order years, and how the gifts of the Order informed that.

  Blessings,
  Jann McGuire





  In a message dated 11/21/2009 11:26:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hfgreene at mindspring.com writes:
    That's a good statement and worth archiving!

    Occasionally I muse on how to place the social process into the Earth
    process. I haven't had a brilliant idea about this yet. One approach is to
    have an Earth process set of triangles (like the carbon cycle, the
    hydrological cycle, etc.) parallel to the social process. Another approach
    is to have the Earth process in the middle triangle of the social process
    triangles. Another is to redo the social process triangles to include
    interactions with nature. 

    I haven't really done much except muse about this. (One approach I saw that
    I question is to apply the social process to nature--it's not entirely
    unfruitful but it seems like an artificial imposition on the natural
    processes rather than beginning with the natural process itself.)

    I wonder if anyone else has thought about this.




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