[Oe List ...] Health care and "ideas" of what I/we can do

Sat Sep 5 09:33:28 CDT 2009

Amen Adam!
Rod Rippel

When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive:
to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.    Marcus Aurelius   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Thomson 
  To: Order Ecumenical Community 
  Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Health care and "ideas" of what I/we can do

  Long-term solutions to this problem, in the long-term, have to be STRUCTURAL. That's what I learnt 35 years ago at the Academy and I see no reason for this notion to change.

  It's great that people volunteer "community support" solutions - but it doesn't solve the problem we are discussing. 

  Susan's eagerness to participate in the particular volunteer scheme Jon has proposed reflects her underlying ideological approach - which appears to be contrary that all I have seen as good in my life since I joined the Movement.

  (David wasn't asking for help: he was just illustrating, in stark terms, the problem.)

  We need structural solutions. And that includes the participation of the government.

  Adam Thomson

  END OF MESSAGE

  At 02:00 05/09/2009, you wrote:

    Great idea, Jon.  David, where shall we send our checks?

    Susan

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    From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of jonzondo at juno.com
    Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:20 PM
    To: oe at wedgeblade.net
    Subject: [Oe List ...] Health care and "ideas" of what I/we can do

    David, and everyone,
    Thank you for sharing your story.
    I am a part of a dance community that deals with these stories all the time.
    What makes us "deal" with them is love and choice.
    We are not perfect in our responses, however, we rarely no nothing.

    Here's a perfect chance to do something with this community...
    David, are you willing to share how much the surgury costs?  What is the need?
    If you are willing, then the next question is...
    How many here on this listserve are willing to help?  

    By the way, Please don't respond with a yes or no to this listserve.  This is a rhetorical question unless the offer is accepted.  My idea may not be the best idea.

    I know that I am willing to give $10.00 without knowing what the true need is.  
    $10 is not much, but if 300 people give $10 then David's daughter has $3000 to work with.
    (I have no idea how many are on this listserve).

    Are there other ideas out there?
    Can we think outside of the box?  outside of our box?

    and yes, I have a story to share too... about my parents and their interactions with our health care system.

    Walk in Beauty,
    Jon Mark Elizondo

    ---------- Original Message ----------
    From: David Dunn <dmdunn1 at gmail.com>
    To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
    Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] What do we mean by a right? To Jim, Dave, et.al. re: Conservativism
    Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:00:28 -0600

    Colleagues

    I listed what I thought were the implications of what Susan was asserting, among them:

      . caring about people is the purview of civil society and not of the public sector  

    To which Susan replied:

      Yes, but not entirely.  Certainly I think the government has a role in caring for its citizens, but not as the grand public teat that eliminates all motivation to provide for yourself because everything is taken care of. 

    In the clear light of Friday morning, it seems to me that the much more helpful contribution I can make is to tell a story.

    The job my daughter Ruah was slated to begin at Home Depot in Atlanta fell through without explanation. The economy has dried up the in-home child care that has been her fall-back "plan b" in the past. She continues to diligently seek employment. 

    She has a life-threatening condition that requires surgery. $100 a month in child support makes her ineligible for Medicaid. The hospital to which she was referred by a social worker was unable to attend to her, let alone help her. Now, both her emotional wellbeing and her body are at risk. And her father is writing an email to a listserv when he should be working.

    An energetic 38-year-old single mom is now medically indigent because of a series of unfortunate events beyond her control: the collapse of the Detroit economy; the migration to Georgia in search of greater employment opportunity; a recession and an Atlanta economy that has also "gone south." 

    Because she does not have access to health care, she and her children are without hope for health. All of this, in a society that professes belief in "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," but is unable to formulate a workable consensus plan to provide for the first, and most basic need: the lives of its citizens.

    What's wrong with this picture?

    Neither shouting about socialism, government coercion, or destroying our society (at this summer's town hall meetings), nor the concern about a public teat that destroys motivation and individual responsibility (in the present dialog), speak the two most important questions in my life today:

    1. How is my daughter going to get the surgery she needs?

    2. How can I add something useful, grounded in concrete, innocent human suffering, that would make a difference in my daughter's prospects for a healthy, happy life?

    I do not have the answer to either question. I acknowledge that posturing about liberal this and conservative that does nothing to move us closer to the answers.

    I wonder how many others have stories to tell about family members or friends who are without health care.

    David

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