[Oe List ...] Health care and "ideas" of what I/we can do

[Herman Greene]

Thanks Jon, I agree.

Herman

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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
Of jonzondo at juno.com
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Health care and "ideas" of what I/we can do

Hello again everyone.
Jon Elizondo here to elaborate on a couple points.

In sharing his story, David did not ask for help.  This is true from my
perspective.  When I heard David's story, it gave me an idea and I chose to
share it.  My idea, regardless of whether it is useful or not for David's
situation, comes from my life experience And also from my time as a child in
the Order.  

I already explained that I'm a member of a dance community that knows how to
assist each other in a variety of structural ways.  

In addition, while many of you were working in 5th city, there were some
principles in play...
I remember it something like this...
* we must work with all the people, all the issues, all the time.  and
Symbol is Key.

The long term structural piece is happening, and will happen (no matter how
long it takes).  And for me, it is a "both/and plus more" situation.

The small structures (like my idea) are as important as the large ones.  In
fact, some writers state that the large structural shifts will emerge from
the small structural examples.

My idea is simply an idea of small structural assistance.  
Is it a good idea?  I don't know.  I trust David and everyone else to figure
that one out.  I simply and powerfully know that it is an idea that might
make a difference.  And I am willing to do something Now.

We absolutely need everyone's participation in the long run, including the
government's.  And we are the government.  We are the ones we've been
waiting for.  Letters are being written.  Town meetings are attended.
People are speaking their minds, voicing their stories.  I am totally in awe
of all that is coming forward!  Wow.  The consensus can emerge from this
national/global/personal dialog.  And I have no idea how long it will take.

In the meantime, we all wake up with the power of choice in each moment.
Living humans on this amazing planet.

Walk in Beauty,
Jon






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Long-term solutions to this problem, in the long-term, have to be
STRUCTURAL. That's what I learnt 35 years ago at the Academy and I see no
reason for this notion to change.

It's great that people volunteer "community support" solutions - but it
doesn't solve the problem we are discussing.

Susan's eagerness to participate in the particular volunteer scheme Jon has
proposed reflects her underlying ideological approach - which appears to be
contrary that all I have seen as good in my life since I joined the
Movement.

(David wasn't asking for help: he was just illustrating, in stark terms, the
problem.)

We need structural solutions. And that includes the participation of the
government.

Adam Thomson

END OF MESSAGE

At 02:00 05/09/2009, you wrote:
> Great idea, Jon.  David, where shall we send our checks?
>  
> Susan
>  
>
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [ mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
Behalf Of jonzondo at juno.com
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: oe at wedgeblade.net
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Health care and "ideas" of what I/we can do
>
> David, and everyone,
> Thank you for sharing your story.
> I am a part of a dance community that deals with these stories all the
time.
> What makes us "deal" with them is love and choice.
> We are not perfect in our responses, however, we rarely no nothing.
>
> Here's a perfect chance to do something with this community...
> David, are you willing to share how much the surgury costs?  What is the
need?
> If you are willing, then the next question is...
> How many here on this listserve are willing to help? 
>
> By the way, Please don't respond with a yes or no to this listserve.  This
is a rhetorical question unless the offer is accepted.  My idea may not be
the best idea.
>
> I know that I am willing to give $10.00 without knowing what the true need
is. 
> $10 is not much, but if 300 people give $10 then David's daughter has
$3000 to work with.
> (I have no idea how many are on this listserve).
>
> Are there other ideas out there?
> Can we think outside of the box?  outside of our box?
>
> and yes, I have a story to share too... about my parents and their
interactions with our health care system.
>
> Walk in Beauty,
> Jon Mark Elizondo


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