[Oe List ...] ENGAGEMENT
Herman Greene
hfgreene at mindspring.com
Tue Sep 8 17:23:14 CDT 2009
Amen.
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Of Don Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: dialogue at wedgeblade.net; oe at wedgeblade.net; jnelson at ica-associates.ca
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ENGAGEMENT
Wayne,
Sounds great. Using some non-controversial, or even mythical issue to learn
the technology would be like playing a game
to get used to the system, then maybe the first phase of an actual workshop
to get people thinking about how best to
engage in the real workshop. As to the use of the product, ICA-USA would
appreciate a workshop on how to strengthen
the organization and become useful servants in these tumultuous times. I
suspect the health care issue, though interesting,
will largely be resolved by the time we get this project underway. I would
rather see us tackle an issue where we know we
caqn make a real contribution.
If you think we have a polarized society, see attached letter from a friend,
a minister of the Church of North India, in Maharastra
where Jim Mathews worked for many years, and where Maliwada and Chikle are
located. I have gone every year, for 15 years, to
Wanless Mission Hospital in Miraj to work with the heart surgeon there.
Timothy has started orphanages, one for boys, one for girls,
for HIV/AIDS orphans, from the red light districts of Miraj and Sangli. A
hospice for the sex workers dying of AIDS is under
construction adjacent the orphanage for girls. My daughter, Cynthia, who
spent eight months in Maliwada when she was 17, went to
Miraj with me in January and helped plan the hospice facility. Cynthia
works as a hospice nurse in Santa Cruz, CA.
Don Elliott
9400 E Iliff Ave #361
Denver, CO 80231
303 695 4688 (H), 303 378 9175 (C)
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From: Wayne Nelson <wnelson at ica-associates.ca>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>; Order Ecumenical Community
<oe at wedgeblade.net>; Jo Nelson <jnelson at ica-associates.ca>
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:00 am
Subject: [Dialogue] Health Care - ENGAGEMENT
We at ICA in Canada have a license for a tool called "Elluminate." It's an
online tool in which we can do an entire workshop as well as other things.
We're just learning to use it. We've done a couple of workshops and other
things with it. Our intention is to use it in client work. Without
question, it will pay its way. With shrinking budgets and travel fears
related to flu etc, this will hopefully position us to do substantial work
in the virtual environment.
You can try it out by going to http://elluminate.com.
<http://elluminate.com./> The trial version only allows 3 people, so you
and 2 others can get a feel for it. That's what Jo and I and John Miller
did. Jo set it up and we did a whole little workshop. Blew our minds
entirely.
Our version allows us to include up to 100 people. That would be far too
many for this kind of use. My guess is that a group of 15 - 20 would be
pretty large, but not impossible. Because the software includes a
whiteboard. Ideas can be written on "cards" and moved around on the board.
Because of the size of the whiteboard, I'd guess that it can easily handle
40 some ideas - not many more. It has built in VIOP; so no need for a
separate phone connection.
Participants need a high speed connection and a way to handle sound - like
the $10 headphones with a mic you'd use for a Skype call.
We could host a workshop and work with someone to facilitate it. We need
the practice and it would be cool to share this application with you. We've
been dreamining of an online ToP workshop since the 80's; so this is a
little like finding the lost chord.
It works best when there is one person who is the facilitator and another
who handles the technology - flicking switches behind the curtain like the
wizard of Oz - - - without the hokusy-pokusy stuff. Since it's your idea,
you'd need to decide who would be the facilitator. We'll work with that
person to make the session happen.
A workshop like this would really requires at least 2 sessions.
In the first session the participants get connected and familiar with the
technology. That part takes about 45 minutes to an hour. It's necessary. If
it's not done in a separate session, it will take up the first 40 - 60
minutes of the initial meeting. It's a natural, necessary part of this kind
of online collaboration. If you're going to be a part of the workshop, you
have to do the orientation. That's it.
This session could include the contexting, instructions and the initial
brainstorm. My guess is that part would take another hour. That could be
done in another way as well. We have a tool we could use to collect ideas
that can take place asynchronously.
In the second session the group can do the gestalting, naming and reflection
conversation. That's probably an hour and a half or 2 hours.
Let me know if you'd like to pursue this.
\\/
"James Wiegel" wrote:
So, what would the workshop question be, Jean?
"What are our underlying assumptions and beliefs related to xxxx?" or,
"What are the underlying assumptions and beliefs we see in people related to
this topic?" or,
"What are the underlying assumptions and beliefs we suspect are present that
make this topic so controversial?"
Do you get diametrically opposed ones? do you organize them by topic (all
these are assumptions about the role of government) or by similar assumption
or belief?
What is next? What do you do with the product?
I have a survey monkey account and would be happy to put up something if
people wanted to contribute and once I get back home (after the 24th) would
help with organizing, etc.
Jim
Coincidence is the spiritual equivalent of a pun. G. K. Chesterton
Jim Wiegel
401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401
+1 623-936-8671 +1 623-363-3277
jfwiegel at yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/>
--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Jean Watts <jeanwatts at cox.net> wrote:
From: Jean Watts <jeanwatts at cox.net>
Subject: [Oe List ...] Health Care - ENGAGEMENT
To: oe at wedgeblade.net
Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
I found when facilitating groups focused on "health care" or "healthy
communities" that it was necessary to begin with a workshop that uncovered
the group's underlying assumptions and beliefs rather than their practical
vision. It appeared that it was at this level where the "real" conflict of
perspective on the particular subject or content being discussed was rooted.
JWM use to say frequently that "We are always in the process of acting out
our self understanding." Our "self understanding" is, in reality, these
underlying assumptions, beliefs, and values. One of the ways these are
"acted out' is in the particular way we articulate our vision and solutions
to the issues within the content being discussed.
These underlying beliefs, assumptions, and values are always in a state of
movement or evolution. So, by beginning at this point, it enabled the group
to begin with the present moment or situation rather than focusing on the
past stuff that has brought them to this present situation.
So, I think that this is where we as a group of caring individuals might
focus our discussion prior to answering the vision question.
Namaste,
Jean
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Thanks, David.
I believe this can be facilitated over the listserve, though the gestalting
might be less participative than usual. Is there someone(s) who would be
willing to take on this task? I'm up to here right now, but would be happy
to play a second role. Seems to me the job will be:
1. solicit responses to the question of vision: What would a
desirable health care system look like? What are components of the desired
system?
2. Group the ideas into columns according to similarity.
3. Post the columns on the listserve, and invite the group to
provide 3-4-word names (We want to see _____)
4. Invite a discussion of the names (perhaps for a week) and then
settle on the ones with greatest consensus.
Move on to the contradictions and follow the same process; then to the
strategy.
The ToP network has a task force working on ways to facilitate virtual
meetings, and there are multiple software and web-based programmes that can
be used. Unfortunately most charge a fee and are complicated to learn, so
while we probably can't use them here, maybe someone from that group would
like to play a role in this on the listserve.
While this may be a tedious process for us, it may just possibly generate
some innovative ideas that are not yet in the national discussion. Who
knows?
John
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