[Oe List ...] FW: OE Digest, Vol 65, Issue 65

[Ellen & David Rebstock]

Amen
Dave Rebstock

2009/9/11 Bill Schlesinger <pvida at whc.net>

>  The problem of a ‘useful representation of facts’ is that ideology trumps
> facts.  The suspicions that the current federal bills are a ‘camel’s nose’
> for socialism, rampant or otherwise, for ‘back dooring’ care for
> undocumented immigrants, or panels judging the worth of a person aren’t
> based on specific facts.  They’re based on ideological presuppositions.  Any
> attempt to argue on a factual basis means that the argument itself is
> invalid because it is assumed to have chosen facts that don’t reflect the
> ideology.  ‘Facts’ are assumed to be being used to twist reality rather than
> reflecting it.
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> ‘Action will remove the doubt that theory cannot solve.’  The only way
> through this impasse is through a rather political messy process that is yet
> preferable to violence.  The side supporting the models represented in
> legislation will either succeed or fail in passing them.  If they fail,
> doubts will remain.  If they succeed, we will then know the results of
> implementing them.  You pays your money and you takes your pick.
>
>
>
> My pick – based on my experience for almost 20 years in indigent health
> care – is for the proposals as currently formulated as a feasible first
> step.  I think we’re better off with something in place on the order of
> social security, Medicaid and Medicare that we can then tweak than we are
> with no action.  If the ‘conservatives’ wanted the changes they now proclaim
> as an alternative, they certainly had plenty of time to enact them.
>
>
>
> Time to move on this stuff.
>
>
>
> Bill Schlesinger
> Project Vida
> 3607 Rivera Ave
> El Paso, TX 79905
> (915) 533-7057 x 207
> (915) 490-6148 mobile
> (915) 533-7158 fax
> bschlesinger.pv at tachc.org
> www.projectvidaelpaso.org
>
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> I am a little bothered about people communicating some of their opinions
> about what is wrong with others or what is right about them as a way to
> include or exclude their arguments. On that basis, no one would ever listen
> to me if they knew all the mistakes I had made, all the wrong judgements I
> had ever expressed on school boards, community meetings, work engagements
> etc.  On that basis, we would still have all Germans above a certain age in
> jail, or all Irish, or all British, or all colonialists, or Southeners, or
> all Palestinians etc, etc. Having just returned from South Africa I feel
> refreshed by their  wisdom. Reconciliation, forgiveness is a fact of life.
> Today is a new day is a fact of life.
>
>
>
> The move towards getting useful representations of facts helps. Difficult
> to do in this topic. And important. So, who has the email addresses of the
> Order youth medics. What do Dr Bob and Dr Ken think?
>
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>
> Maybe that will help.
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>
> Paul
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>
> PS I just got back from the hospital for some free blood tests. I have more
> than 20% chance of getting a heart attack so my blood is being checked
> regularly.
>
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