[Oe List ...] NY Times editorial - AWE

[James Wiegel]

All these new-fangled notions!!  I still like the one about all this happening on the back of a turtle that is on top of a turtle that is on top of a turtle . . . . it's turtles all the way down!

Jim



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--- On Wed, 12/8/10, Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org> wrote:

From: Jack Gilles <icabombay at igc.org>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] NY Times editorial - AWE
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 10:25 AM

Dear Laurel,
Just to share with you and others that there are other alternative understandings.  There are many scientists who do not "buy" into the Big Bang theory at all.  There is a highly respected group who have talked that we live in a "steady state" universe with continuous creation and destruction of galaxies.  The "red shift" that is one of the "proofs" cited for the Big Bang theory can be explained in other ways that do not have the distant galaxies receding at ever increasing speeds.  I know that this is counter to the CW, but I, for one, am a follower of the steady state universe.  This is a very complex and highly scientific argument, but just to let you know that there are other explanations that do not require exotic solutions.   For those who might be interested in this other view they can contact me, but I don't think this is the forum for exploring theories, but I do appreciate your reflection on the awesome mystery we are a part of.
Jack


On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:46 AM, LAURELCG at aol.com wrote:



Editorial

 Before the 
Boom 
Published: November 30, 2010
New York Times 
Astronomers and astrophysicists have given us insight into what happened in 
the first trillionths-of-a-second after the Big Bang, nearly 14 billion years 
ago. But the current cosmological hypothesis is that before the Big Bang there 
was nothing. Now Roger Penrose, the eminent British mathematician, is arguing that there 
is physical evidence that may predate the Big Bang. In a recent paper, he and 
his co-author, the physicist V. G. Gurzadyan, describe a pattern of 
concentric circles detected against the universal backdrop of cosmic microwave 
radiation generated by the Big Bang. These circles, they say, may be 
gravitational waves generated by collisions of superbig black holes before the 
Big Bang. The two scientists go even further, claiming that the evidence also suggests 
that our universe may “be but one aeon in a (perhaps unending) succession of 
such aeons.” What we think of as our “universe” may simply be one link in a 
chain of universes, each beginning with a big bang and ending in a way that 
sends detectable gravitational waves into the next universe. The argument is highly controversial. But if the circles the two scientists 
have detected stand up to further examination — if they’re not the result of 
noise or instrumental error — it could radically change the way we think about 
our universe. And the notion is no more radical than that of some cosmologists 
who argue that our universe is only one in a multiverse — a possibly infinite 
number of co-existing, but undetectable, universes. The question is: What do we do with these possibilities? Our answer is to 
marvel at them and be reminded, once again, that we live in a universe — however 
we define it — that contains more wonders than we can begin to imagine. 
 
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