[Oe List ...] NY Times editorial - AWE
James Wiegel
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Wed Dec 8 15:06:50 CST 2010
There, see? The thing about the turtles avoids all this . . . :)
Robertson Work sent me an interesting video . . . somehow related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7ANGMy0yo
and I like this one . . .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmC2sKFSFzE&feature=channel
Jim
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--- On Wed, 12/8/10, Jim Baumbach <wtw0bl at new.rr.com> wrote:
From: Jim Baumbach <wtw0bl at new.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] NY Times editorial - AWE
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 1:58 PM
Sorry Jack but I
respectfully disagree about whether this is a topic for
exploration in this forum. The notion about whether this is a
steady state universe or one that is expanding or receding or has
cycled through numerous creations and collapses is at the heart of
the church's almost universal belief that "as it was in the
beginning, is now and ever shall be--world without end." What is
at stake is the notion of the 3 tiered Universe which we have
discarded as an out-dated notion of the world we used to live in
and the revelations through the theories of Copernicus which
ultimately convinced the church that the sun does not revolve
around the Earth and that the Earth is not the center of the
universe is now returning to tell us that there is more to our
stayed belief in reality as ever.
Certainly there are some on this listserve that will be put off by
the academic discussion but others such as myself find that this
is meaningful to my understanding of RS1. At the heart of it is
whether we believe that the only absolute is change. For sure we
can live our total existence convinced the Earth is flat. For
sure we can live out our lives believing in the poetry of
sunrise--sunset without our ever understanding that it is the
Earth's rotation that causes our perception of the movement of the
sun across the sky. We can even live full lives believing the
Earth was created in 6 days and that dinosaurs lived side by side
with humans and that Noah got all of those animal pairs on the
ark. What all this means is that not only do we have the ability
to live complete lives in numerous dimensions of reality but we
can also suspend reality in our minds in order to enjoy pure
fantasy. In fact, it is this ability to suspend reality that
allows us to "demythologize" much of the current church dogma.
Whether or not many scientists do not "buy" into the big bang
theory of the universe is only evidence that there are alternate
theories proposed by curious human beings as to the beginning and
perhaps the ultimate meaning of the universe. The more we learn
about that which lies beyond our protective shell of oxygen the
more we find ourselves confronted with the reality of being.
Hopefully, the listserv continues to spawn creative thought.
Jim Baumbach
On 12/8/2010 11:25 AM, Jack Gilles wrote:
Dear Laurel,
Just to share with you and others that there are other
alternative understandings. There are many scientists who do
not "buy" into the Big Bang theory at all. There is a highly
respected group who have talked that we live in a "steady state"
universe with continuous creation and destruction of galaxies.
The "red shift" that is one of the "proofs" cited for the Big
Bang theory can be explained in other ways that do not have the
distant galaxies receding at ever increasing speeds. I know
that this is counter to the CW, but I, for one, am a follower of
the steady state universe. This is a very complex and highly
scientific argument, but just to let you know that there are
other explanations that do not require exotic solutions. For
those who might be interested in this other view they can
contact me, but I don't think this is the forum for exploring
theories, but I do appreciate your reflection on the awesome
mystery we are a part of.
Jack
On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:46 AM, LAURELCG at aol.com
wrote:
Editorial
Before the Boom
Published: November 30, 2010
New York Times
Astronomers and astrophysicists have given
us insight into what happened in the first
trillionths-of-a-second after the Big Bang,
nearly 14 billion years ago. But the current
cosmological hypothesis is that before the
Big Bang there was nothing.
Now Roger Penrose, the eminent British
mathematician, is arguing that there is
physical evidence that may predate the Big
Bang. In a recent paper, he and his
co-author, the physicist V. G. Gurzadyan,
describe a pattern of concentric circles
detected against the universal backdrop of
cosmic microwave radiation generated by the
Big Bang. These circles, they say, may be
gravitational waves generated by collisions
of superbig black holes before the Big Bang.
The two scientists go even further,
claiming that the evidence also suggests
that our universe may “be but one aeon in a
(perhaps unending) succession of such
aeons.” What we think of as our “universe”
may simply be one link in a chain of
universes, each beginning with a big bang
and ending in a way that sends detectable
gravitational waves into the next universe.
The argument is highly controversial. But
if the circles the two scientists have
detected stand up to further examination —
if they’re not the result of noise or
instrumental error — it could radically
change the way we think about our universe.
And the notion is no more radical than that
of some cosmologists who argue that our
universe is only one in a multiverse — a
possibly infinite number of co-existing, but
undetectable, universes.
The question is: What do we do with these
possibilities? Our answer is to marvel at
them and be reminded, once again, that we
live in a universe — however we define it —
that contains more wonders than we can begin
to imagine.
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