[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Legacy

Mon Dec 20 11:01:02 CST 2010

It's a good question and I am not arguing either. I'll go back and look at
the triangles. I have come to appreciate story more and more. One thing we
were taught in pedagogy was to tell stories.

Herman

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Herman, what you say is true.  However, as we defined the cultural system,
there are three interdependent dynamics within it--story, style and symbol,
with symbol at the top of the triangle.  In "Principles of Social
Development" (Estimates, Summer '76) we said "The key to bringing about
effective social change is in the use of symbols." and that was the 5th
principle. I'm just wondering if today perhaps that understanding has
shifted so that the emphasis would more appropriately be on story.  I'm
really not advocating, just asking.

Randy  

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Herman Greene <hfgreene at mindspring.com> wrote:

From: Herman Greene <hfgreene at mindspring.com>
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To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 10:19 AM

I don't think symbol and story are separate. Think of the cross that
represents the Order (it's the [some African country] cross). There is no
story of the Order without this symbol. Not even any life of the Order
without this symbol.

Herman 

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I find Nancy's (and Fred's) first point very interesting because I remember
distinctly that we used to say that "symbol" is key, the fifth principle of
social development.  However, I now agree with Nancy that today "story" is
key, and I think a very good case can be made for that proposition.  In a
word, symbol is meaningless, and potentially harmful, if the story it seeks
to symbolize is dehumanizing, reductionist, reactionary, etc.  What is
taking us into the future is a new story that is now emerging which we, of
course, will have to find a way to symbolize.

An interesting add-on to this legacy exercise could be for us to talk about
how our insights have modified and our minds have changed over the last
40-50 years.  The shift  from the primacy of symbol to the primacy of story,
if that indeed has occurred, may be one of those changes.

Randy

--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Lanphear <nancy at songaia.com> wrote:

From: Nancy Lanphear <nancy at songaia.com>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Legacy
To: " Order Ecumenical Community " <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Cc: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 8:59 AM 

Dear Friends, 

I, too, have 2 more pieces of our Order legacy that cannot be left off of my
list.  Someone else has mentioned them but ....

1) Story is Key - this is one that kept Fred's mind sharp and happy as he
moved toward his death.  The universe story captured his imagination and his
heart.  Of course, in the midst of the big picture (Fred always had that)
there were the smaller stories like:   life stories, stories of being of
service, funny stories, etc. Beckoning others to tell their stories was one
of the best parts of his day.

2) 2 suitcases - I do not know this image came from but it did help to order
our lives - what did you carry in your 2 suitcases?  I remember telling the
story and it went like this  .... "we carried two suitcase and one was full
of decor and notes".  I think the other must have been clothes.  

Nancy

2010/12/12 Bill Bailey <bailey03132 at charter.net
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I would like to add to the list of our legacy, the understanding that we
were living in the "no longer and not yet" building (with

many other voices and people of action) a bridge to a new spirituality.

Bill Bailey

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