[Oe List ...] Salmon: Our Legacy: Next Steps?

Mon Dec 20 13:38:42 CST 2010

perhaps cosmic, also related to how small the virtual keyboard is on my ipad.

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--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Susan Fertig <susan at gmdtech.com> wrote:

From: Susan Fertig <susan at gmdtech.com>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon:  Our Legacy: Next Steps?
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 11:32 AM

Well, the cosmic intervention bit was tongue in cheek, but the fact that everything is always a question is actually the way it is.  Susan  From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of William Salmon
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:02 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Our Legacy: Next Steps?      Mysterious happenings? Naw!        Nothing cosmic here, but I suspect that the server had a hic up and passed cyber gas. Life is filled with funny things that smell, but on a continuum of "Fully understandable" to "What-the-hell-happened" the hic up makes good conversation--but no sense. Relax, eveything doesn't need an explanation. Love the bumber sticker, "Shit Happens!"      So much of my life is lived in this same fashion; but what a ride.      Inner Peas!    Pastor Bill  ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Fertig To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:45 PMSubject: Re: [Oe List ...] Our Legacy: Next Steps?  Interesting – in your response, the word “Passion” dropped out of my message and was replaced by the letter “Q”.  Some kind of cosmic intervention from cyberspace reminding us that everything is always a
 question?  Susan  From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:37 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Cc: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Our Legacy: Next Steps?  Great additions, Susan.  Brings to mind a conversation a while back, on the list serve wher you mentioned that (as I recall) you had moved away from a Kazantzakian view of God to a more traditional perception.  Sort of a shift in balance between passion for the mystery and creating history.  

Jim WiegelJfwiegel at yahoo.com
On Dec 19, 2010, at 19:31, "Susan Fertig" <susan at gmdtech.com> wrote:Q for the Mystery and for Creating HistoryParticipation and ConsensusCelebration in Story and Song The first item is really the decisional one, where the commitment emerges.The second item, participation, would include the tools that make the participation and the consensus possible, e.g., charting, workshop method, art form, spirit conversation…And the last item, celebration, does not inherently imply joy. That is also where I see RS-I showing up. Susan From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Harper
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:20 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community; Colleague Dialogue
Subject: [Oe List ...] Our Legacy: Next Steps? Many thanks to all of you who contributed your lists of what our community's legacy has to include.  These are gathered now on the Repository (http://wiki.wedgeblade.net/bin/view/Main/BrainStorm), and we'll add others to the page as they appear.  That your thoughts had a role in sparking the wonderful "Yes" initiative of the Cocks and Holcombes, as well as all the yesses that generated, makes for a delightful Christmas combination.

Perhaps it's time to see if we can carry this one step further yet.  The marvelous listing we've generated, however meaningful to those of us who were there, wouldn't mean much to one who wasn't.  We're currently hoping to pass on or at least make available some of these pieces of our legacy to another generation in the ICA / Oklahoma City University OIKOS partnership.  What would most help us do that?

I find myself looking for two things now that could build on what we've started.  First, an intuitive gestalt.  If some of us would take a shot at saying now what the three, four or six major aspects of our legacy consist of, I'd find that rather thrilling--and some of these might form the basis for future conversations with that Oklahoma crowd.  These key elements or components would again be an individual, very personal take or witness on our heritage, none complete or perfect, but they could catalyze another level of great dialogue.  Can we still "go snake eyes" on such a list?

Maybe we could think of this as akin to what Randy Williams did so beautifully this past summer at the OIKOS gathering, when he, along with David Dunn's help I believe on the Power Point, presented a succinct and intelligible depiction of our life and work to the assembled faculty and students.  What if each of us had just been tapped to sum up and explain who we are and what our community might have of value to share with future members of the League?  What would our 4 x 4 look like?

These wouldn't have to be as terse as most items on our brainstorm list (skip the three-to-five words requirement, as many of you helpfully did in your brainstorms).  Each could be a sentence or even a paragraph, as we prefer. Second, some expanded explanation, preferably in generally accepted English, of items we listed in the brainstorm.  "Imaginal Education" requires a paragraph or two just to give others a fleeting glimpse or whispery taste of what those words point to.  Same with "religious houses" or "two suitcases."  One of us might start on one of these, and others chime in with additional detail, which would be great.   Again, as these are generated, Len and I will try to add them to the Repository (or you of course could do that yourself).    

(This makes me think of that old ICA Glossary that some of the young interns initiated and their successors continued to add to over the years, that circulated in the old Phoenix office.  It was their explanation to each other of commonly used terms that newbies would hear in the course of their daily work.  Be fun to see it, if someone from down there still has it on a computer.)  

So, those are my two suggestions for ways to pursue the conversation and contribute further to the legacy discussion.  I'm going to kick it off with my own four points for the proposed talk.  The foundational things about our legacy that I'd want to hit (at least at this moment) would be:

---------------------Our Methods.  The amazing set of intellectual, social and spirit methodologies that we developed, tested on ourselves and then took to the world.  These of course include but go way beyond ToP.  Building a Movement.  Our understanding of what made for authentic community, our attempt to demonstrate a form of missional and disciplined intentional community and to build that outward in the symbolic, movemental and extended order and in the local and organizational communities with which we worked. Our Foundational Assumptions.  The core beliefs about the way life is that we operated out of, that held us together, that we sought to embody and communicate in things like RS-I, our singing and rituals and our projects. Our Historical Journey.  The stories of how we began and what happened to us along the way.  The programs we developed, modified and in some cases discarded over the years.  What we sought to awaken or put in place
 as we tried to discern and respond to the call and claim on our lives.------------------------

Well, there's my first run at a talk I have no intention of ever giving.  Ask me tomorrow, and it will almost certainly be different.  I can't imagine even lightly brushing all of this in as succinct a fashion as Randy managed in his presentation.  Still, as we all know, in the lecture method you start with lots more than you'll finally use.    

OK, have a great holiday, everyone, and as facilitators as fond of saying, "Someone else . . . !"

Gordon

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