[Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles

Wed Feb 24 20:57:19 CST 2010

Hi Marshall, Charles, Randy, Terry, et al,

I just wanted to weigh in on this provocative discussion.  Yes, the
academic, publishing, intellectual properties contexts have indeed
shifted in the 20 plus years since the 1988 "Diaspora."

I was always of the understanding of Charles and Jeanette, that all our
constructs were created and offered to all.

However, when I began to work with folks in academe, specifically the
National Association of State Directors of Special Education (NASDE), and
suggested the "triangles" as the conceptual framework for Education
Accountability -- and then we did the work of thinking through the
dynamics of "creates, limits, sustains" for each relationship -- my
clients wanted to publish their version of the triangles, and requested
the origin of the conceptual model, which I offered as the Ecumenical
Institute.  

This original work led to three Wingspread Conferences, all based on the
"triangle" as our conceptual framework, but taken down to lower levels
re: implementation  of free and appropriate education for all students
with disabilities and their families.  Again, reference was given in
published documents to the EI for the conceptual framework.

As a consultant who brought with me, like skin, "all our screens" in
doing my work, I would have been less concerned about documenting
references, but the rest of the world works differently.  I needed to
learn that it was important to document "what I said worked, and how, and
why. and according to whom!"  Our OE mode of research was different, more
organic, deeply experiential, less dependent upon measurable data, more
informed by rich, qualitative input, triangulated multiple times, across
a myriad of cultures.

I am comfortable walking the razor's edge -- if there is actually one: 
bowing to those who require footnotes and bibliographical entries re: all
our vast corporate OE/ICA/EI wisdom ; or,  just sharing wisdom, life
experience, lessons learned, shaped around concepts like the Bug, the
Pentagon, the 144s, the SP triangles, etc.

I'm guessing, that if someone decided to claim our work as their own, 
and prevent any of us or others from ever using it again, we might rise
up as a mighty force and do as the common folks of 36 counties in
Massachusetts did in pre-revolutionary times when they stood over against
the "Intolerable Acts" and say absolutely "NO!"

And with good reason.

Peace and love to you, my dear colleagues,

Marilyn

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:47:43 -0800 (PST) "W. J." <synergi at yahoo.com>
writes:
In order to control or authorize use of intellectual property, you have
first to be able to claim copyright. That's why we printed a (possibly
defective) copyright notice on the Social Process Triangles in 1971. This
gives notice of ICA's intent to actually submit copyright documents to
the Library of Congress (which of course we never did--nor does almost
anyone else except Hollywood) and to defend against copyright violations,
including false authorship claims from others and unauthorized
changes/usage, by threatening or engaging in a civil lawsuit--which we
have never needed to do.
Most copyright violation lawsuits seem to be over 'piracy' or
unauthorized reproduction of goods worth multimillions of dollars, or the
creation of a black market which deprives copyright owners of significant
unrealized income.
Strangely, the ICA-USA's previous board of directors (before the recent
'regime change' or mass departure of the recently dominant faction)
seemed to be obsessed with defending their imagined 'intellectual
property rights' from unauthorized use--by us! Smelled to me like a
corporatist mindset had taken over the board. Thankfully they're gone.
Maybe the new board would like to clarify their new stance.

Marshall

Charles, indeed we 'ripped off' a lot of theologians and other authors in
the old days, but one could make the point that in popularizing their
work we gave those guys a lot of free publicity and thus increased their
book sales. Tillich, Boulding, cummings, Hesse et al should be grateful.
Sometimes we played by the rules. I got a letter signed by Aaron Copeland
giving us his permission to use 'Fanfare for the Common Man' without
paying a licensing fee. 

From: R Williams <rcwmbw at yahoo.com>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 5:07:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles

Charles,

I agree with everything you say.  However, it may be that the ICA needs
to assure that someone other than the ICA does not claim proprietary
rights to the material and then try to restrict the right of all of us to
use it.  ICA's intent then would be to protect if for our use rather than
to prohibit if from being used by others.

Randy

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Charles or Doris Hahn <cdhahn at flash.net> wrote:

From: Charles or Doris Hahn <cdhahn at flash.net>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 9:08 PM

I find this chatter really interesting.  When we were working on all
those projects, we just assumed that the products, i.e. the Social
Process Triangles, the New Religious Mode, etc. belonged to the world. 
How many papers or chapters of books did we use in our courses without
secureing permission, and giving only the authors name.  It seems to me
that we should be generous enough to ask only that the The Institute of
Cultural Affairs be mentioned or credited.  I cannot believe that we
would stick to the letter of the law on getting permission and giving
total copyright documentation.  The stuff is yours and mine, and it
belongs to humankind.
Charles Hahn

From: Wilson Priscilla <Pris at TeamTechPress.com>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 5:06:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles

I used the triangles in The Facilitative Way...giving credit to the
international research of the Institute of Cultural Affairs. Jenkins have
a whole book on the triangles titled The Social Process Triangles. We
checked with Lyn Edwards before printing The Facilitative Way and she
gave her "permission." 
So many people worked on creating those...they have to be "corporate"
property. 

When we worked on The Facilitative Way we changed some titles, but kept
the dynamics the same. We've been told that our chapter on the triangles
is very helpful. We listened to clients when working on titles.
Priscilla Wilson

On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Herman Greene wrote:

Is their any problem in using the social process triangles? Is anyone
claiming a copyright to the triangles?

Thanks,

Herman

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