[Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles

[the telfords]

Here is one take on how people become involved:
http://anthillonline.com/the-best-three-minute-video-about-leadership-youll-
ever-see/<http://anthillonline.com/the-best-three-minute-video-about-leadership-youll-ever-see/>
John

2010/2/27 James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>

> So, Bill, my grand daughter sent me a link (see below) that raises the
> question of "Where did the movements go?"  Talk some more about that
> "movemental consciousness" you mentioned.  What are the descriptors?  How
> did it get developed in you?  How might it be developed in others today?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI..
>
>
> Jim
>
> "If you really want to succeed, then you have to have the big heart, heroic
> will, tenacity, courage, and commitment to fearlessly engage with the
> evolutionary process until something profound, mysterious, and extraordinary
> happens that cannot be undone." Andrew Cohen
>
>
> Jim Wiegel
> 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353-2401
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>
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> *From:* Bill Parker <bparker175 at cox.net>
>
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> *Sent:* Fri, February 26, 2010 9:44:06 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles
>
> Paula makes a lot of sense when she says "We can not take it back."
>
> It really is not clear why this seems so important to so many people. What
> is the point of EI/ICA or OE, for that matter, being given credit for
> ....what? The Social Process Triangles?  Methods that we may have created or
> clearly took from other sources? I can assure you that everything we think
> we own, or claim, is folly in the hands of people without a Movemental
> Consciousness, and every one of us has seen the reality of what I am saying.
>
>
> Unless the person utilizing such "properties" has a Movemental
> Consciousness, or a Revolutionary Consciousness, or at the very least,
> possess a notion that what they are doing is changing the world on behalf of
> all people, the event is a silly, abstract, often boring exercise. The
> "properties" are a product of this consciousness, not the other way
> around. No, it is not the methods that create the consciousness but rather
> the Movemental Consciousness in the person utilizing the methods that make
> the methods work.
>
> Further, if one using the "properties" has a Movemental Consciousness, then
> why would anyone object to that? They might even get more done than we have
> thus far.
>
> What is being done by this community that is in anyway at risk by other
> people using whatever we "own"? Social Process Triangles?? Let me ask, what
> are we doing with the Social Process Triangles?  I understand the concern
> Randy Williams raised about somehow losing the rights to our own creation.
> However, I am not convince we could give these "properties" away, even if we
> tried. Isn't that what we have been doing for 50 years?
>
> Is this really an important matter, and if so, isn't there another matter,
> or two, far more urgent for us to be about? .....just asking.
>
> Bill Parker
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paula Philbrook <paula.philbrook at gmail.com>
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] IP rights to Social Process Triangles
>
> ALL:
> We can not take it back.
>
> When my sister, Deana Henry and her husband, Kenneth were working on their
> PHD's at Texas A&M, they encounter the Social Process Triangles in a
> Community Development Class. They also recognized a kindred spirit.
>
> The professor was a visiting professor from Australia. He had never
> directly encountered EI/ICA.  He had gained his knowledge of the
> triangles from a fellow colleague working with the Aboriginal community.
>
> I was involved in discussions with Sidley & Austin intellectual property
> specialists.  Establishing copyrights and ownerships is not a
> straight-line.  The corporate mode, the voluntary nature of OE members, the
> years of use without trademarks or action, etc contribute mud to any legal
> discussion.
>
> My hope is that EI/ICA get the credit in some way-each and everytime.
>
>
> Paula
>
> Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in
> harmony.
>    Mahatma Gandhi
>
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