[Oe List ...] Want to discuss consensus?

Thu Mar 4 05:21:12 CST 2010

Thanks Charles, still my earliest and longest Order friend, you never  
fail to recognise my sporadic contributions. It still means a  
surprising amount to me, like the Master acknowledging apprentice.

Thankyou and love to you and Doris

Tim
creativeconnection.co.uk
07956 851 852

On 3 Mar 2010, at 20:54, Charles or Doris Hahn <cdhahn at flash.net> wrote:

> Thanks Tim!  What a powerful declaration!  I wish I had written it.
> Charles Hahn
>
> From: Tim Casswell <tim at creativeconnection.co.uk>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 6:49:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Want to discuss consensus?
>
> I think this is an interesting debate. It has produced a heartfelt  
> if not altogether thought through meditation of my own...
>
> As we go towards a hung parliament in the UK we are facing a period  
> where consensus and collaboration will be precisely the process  
> skills that are needed. In almost every other country apart from the  
> USA the democratic process is multiparty coalition government. In  
> our two party polarisation we watch our politicians stuck into their  
> party lines locking horns as if they wete in court in a shockingly  
> wasteful display of adversarial stupidity.
>
> As we face the complexity of global financial, ecological,  
> political, and resource challenges it will be probably  through  
> conflict but just maybe through collaboration that we work out our  
> salvation.
>
> I am weary of the "Reality" TV gameshow approach the personality  
> politicians adopt which effectively excludes us from the social  
> process other than as consumer - voters.
>
> The situation before us now requires collaboration. I yearn for a  
> politician or a party that declares a stand for consensus.
>
> A party that declares that the global financial, ecological,  
> political, and resource situation we face is so complex, so  
> critical, it is a state of catastrophe in which we all are faced  
> with the choice of caring for one another or competing, looting, and  
> fighting with one another over broken pieces and depleted resources.
>
> The adventure we face today is so overwhelming it probably cannot be  
> won or even survived. However I know which way I want to die. In a  
> community of people listening, caring, dancing, chancing,  
> cherishing, in a slow, frustrating, exquisite, subtle, elusive,  
> consensual community of human relationships Community is still the  
> most fascinating dance of all.
>
> I think the tide is turning. We are tired of the adversarial alpha  
> male good shepherd rhetoric we once admired and flocked to in our  
> herds. Now we know it really is in our hands and we have a choice.  
> Consensus, collaboration, trust, listening, understanding,  
> generosity, responsibility, and decisions based on love, or  
> conflict, suspicion, hostility, hoarding, and decisions based on fear.
>
> I long for a politician to declare "I stand for consensus. If you  
> elect me it is because you know I can do nothing for you just that  
> you dare to share a dream of a collaborative sharing world where  
> rights are what we give rather than fight for. Voting for me is a  
> vote not for what you can get but for what you can give and a  
> declaration that we are choosing to take up the challenge of this  
> awesome moment ourselves"
>
> Wasn't this the language of MLK and Ghandhi?
>
> I see again the scene towards the end of that film where the field  
> is full of people who were once slaves declaring "I am Spartacus".  
> Slaves no longer to charisma, power, manipulative political forces.  
> The complexity of the catastrophe makes it simple. This is the time  
> for each to dream and if you let me be in your dream you can be in  
> mine.
>
> Let's dance with Zorba let's sing with don Quixote, let's shout our  
> dreams to the empty sky with Thelma and Louise, and work out our  
> consensus with diligence.
>
> Consensus is not the abandonment of beliefs. It is the art of human  
> being.
>
> Tim Casswell
> creativeconnection.co.uk
> 07956 851 852
>
> On 2 Mar 2010, at 02:43, "Carlos R. Zervigon" <carloszervigon at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> If you are pure in your stance you finally are a group of one that  
>> can get nothing done. Stand on your principles and be ineffective.  
>> Politics is a healthy science that acknowledges that we live in  
>> community and must make decision s as such. Effective and creative  
>> leadership helps form consensus on a creative, inclusive, depth and  
>> futuristic context but does not bully it’s way through charismatic 
>>  demagoguery. Margaret Thatcher was a guardian of the illusionary  
>> past and did not contribute much to a future for the planet. Herma 
>> n Greene however has made his mark many dimensions above Margaret.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos R. Zervigon, PMP
>>
>> Zervigon International, Ltd.
>>
>> 817 Antonine St.
>>
>> New Orleans, LA  70115  USA
>>
>> 504 894-9868 Mobile: 504 908-0762
>>
>> carlos at zervigon.com
>>
>> http://www.zervigon.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net]  
>> On Behalf Of Herman Greene
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:00 AM
>> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Want to discuss consensus?
>>
>>
>>
>> I received this morning meditation today:
>>
>>
>>
>> Lord, guard me in my convictions.
>>
>> "To me consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs,  
>> principles, values and policies in search of something in which no  
>> one believes, but to which no one objects--the process of avoiding  
>> the very issues that have to be solved merely because you cannot  
>> get agreement on the way ahead. What great cause would have been  
>> fought and won under the banner 'I stand for consensus?'"  
>> <image001.gif>-- Margaret Thatcher in a 1981 speech as reported in  
>> The Wall Street Journal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
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