[Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event
Herman Greene
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Fri Mar 12 07:41:10 CST 2010
Great idea
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Of Terry Bergdall
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:29 AM
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Cc: Pamela Bergdall
Subject: [Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event
Herman's comments (see below) about pulling together our wisdom strikes a
cord with me.
As you know, the month of May is a time we have dedicated to work on the
Archives at 4750 in Chicago. That is when we hope to have groups of people
working each week. This will involve sorting, ordering, and transferring
materials to new space on the sixth floor. It also will be a time of
eliminating duplications and identifying gaps so that we can actively seeks
to fill them from the countless personal files people have around the world.
Beyond these tasks, we will have an invigorating community life in the
evenings of good conversation and celebration. It strikes me that this could
also be an excellent time to push Herman's idea down the road: what would
be involved? what practical form would it take? how can it be a collective
effort? what are the practical opportunities for anyone, wherever in the
world they might be, to contribute to the process? A model needs to be
built. While we certainly don't have to wait until May to start building it,
it does seem to me that the gathered physical energy that will be present
during that month could do some work on it ... as well as dealing with the
important job related to pieces of papers.
Think about. I also urge you all to think about coming and spending a week
during May in Chicago. We are in the final stages for renovating the rooms
on the eighth floor with new floors, painted walls, new bedroom furniture,
new bathroom fixtures (all to host the 40 people coming at the end of March
for the International Initiatives Think Tank). The Archives volunteer
coordination team of Marge Philbrook, Pam Bergdall, and Rosemary Albright
will soon be sending out additional details about May activities. As you
hear more about these, please consider being a part of it.
Terry
On 11 Mar 2010, at 21:11, Herman Greene wrote:
> All of this is reminding me why I proposed that we pull together the
wisdom of EI. This is something different than getting pieces of paper into
the archives.
>
> Herman
>
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
Behalf Of William Salmon
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08 PM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>
> Tom--
> Is what you are calling the NRM breviary the "Canonical Hours." If so,
are they in the archives? I'd like to get a copy of it. I used it when
traveling for the ICA and later.
> Thanks.
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Morrison
> To: Order Ecumenical Community
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> All the many comments are chipping the rust off of 40yo memories . . .
> 1) I have a place mat from the 10th Global Research Assembly (1974) that
shows the 9-NRM charts under the title "The Secular Religious '68".
> 2) I had the NRM papers to read while I was in the US Army and still
living at Fort Ord (late 1970).
> Further, I think Lutheran Community Church had gotten into the Local
Church Experiment (LCX) by the time (late 1970-early 1971).
>
> Granting all that, then the NRM charts and the NRM breviary (the Hours
included) would have come to me while part of the Watsonville, CA cadre and
through the LCX, no later than early 1971.
> Does this sound familiar to others too? Ruth? Evelyn? George?
>
> Tom Morrison
>
> PS I still have five Social-Process-Triangle papers, all very long.
They have been useful in community organizing, but not the easiest thing for
me to remember.. Alas, I no longer have the LCX "tertiary" books--when I
finally internalized them and then moved, they went to the land fill.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Gilles
> To: Order Ecumenical Community
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>
> David,
>
> I also have a Prayer paper by David, but it was not from the Summer, but
the Spring of 70. I particularly remember the illustration of Fred's about
sitting in a booth and talking about seeing the lady in the next booth 'ear'
grow bigger and bigger as they talked. Now I may be mistaken, but that's
how I remember it. I guess we could ask Fred or David which of them gave
it. The lectures of S70 when printed did not have the names of who gave
them on them.
>
> Jack
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:20 PM, David Walters wrote:
>
>
> I remember these from the summer of 70 and thet David Scot did the Prayer
lecture. i still have a copy of it.
>
> David Walters.
>
> PS That same summer I was sitting next to David on the floor in the back
of Room A against the wall when he mumbled sommething disparaging about the
person in the front of the room and what he was rambling on about and the
person on the other side of David elbowed him in the ribs and declared that
he could someday find himself on a deserted island and that the person up
front could be his only collegue.
>
> Herman,
>
> The charts you are talking about are The Other World Charts (land, river,
mountain and sea). The NRM charts were the work of 1968, but may have begun
in 67 or even earlier. They were the foundation to the Odyssey, the first
of which was held in the South side RH in Chicago. I was in that first
event, taught by Fishel and Hess among others. We didn't make and NSV
charts, but shortly thereafter we created the Social Process triangles. I
have several papers of talks by JWM on the relationship between the NRM and
NSV, but for me, the insight that has struck me is that the NSV is the NRM
and vice versa. They are two sides of the same coin, and it is a matter of
transparency from one to the other. I think the NRM 144's is perhaps the
best work we ever did and the talks of Summer 68 in the Great Hall (JWM did
three of them, Meditation, Poverty and Transparent Being) were awesome.
George West did Contemplation, Gene Marshall did Chastity and Fred Buss did
Prayer. Fred Hess did I believe Transparent Doing but I don't remember who
did Obedience and Transparent Knowing.
>
> Jack
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Herman Greene wrote:
>
>
> I have a question as well and am amazed that I had mistaken the NRM for
the charts concerning the Mountain of Care, River ofConsciousness, etc. What
did we call the Mountain of Care, etc. charts and are they available? Are
they on the Golden Pathways CD, which I have?
> I am also with Frank in asking when did the NRM charts arise?
> Further I do remember that NRM was in tandem with the New Social Vehicle.
Where are the NSV charts?
> Herman
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
Behalf Of frank bremner
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:38 PM
> To: Dialogue OE
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
> G'day folks!
>
> I have copies of the NRM charts and (somewhere in storage) some printed
notes about the 144s. But I never found out just what the 144s were about.
I see that 16 boxes for each NRM chart x 9 charts = 144 boxes. Were the
144s the precursors to the NM charts? And when did they arise?
>
> Cheers
>
> Frank Bremner
>
> From: 2tjmorrison at gmail.com
> To: oe at wedgeblade.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:00:59 -0500
> Subject: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts.
>
> Hi!
> It is my pleasure to e mail everyone a copy of the NRM charts. I think
they are among the best products put together by the 1970s Movement.
> The charts are 3.71 MB . . . .
> Tom Morrison
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M. George Walters
> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
> If we can get a collection of the PDF's we can put together in a booklet
under Resurgence Publishing that can be a download for anyone from our
website.
> If I had a set of the documents, I can scan to PDF and then return the
documents to their owner.
> With kindest regards.
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> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
Behalf Of Tracy E. Longacre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 00:41
> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
> Tom or Bill,
> Can you send me the PDFs of the NRM charts?
> Tracy E. Longacre
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> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
Behalf Of William Salmon
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 4:58 AM
> To: Thomas Morrison
> Cc: Ecumenical Order
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
> Tom --
> Well, well! Just as I got all of the charts together and ready to mail
off to Mary Hopkins, thanks to Ann Jaeks for her labors in getting them
faxed to me in color. Tom, the charts are beautiful. Thanks so much.
> Bill Salmon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Morrison
> To: kartes at aol.com ; walters at alaweb.com ; William Salmon ; Shelley Hahn ;
Bill Parker
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: charts
> Hi everyone,
> I've attached the nine NRM charts as a pdf. Blessed be Paul at Office
Depot who always knows what to do for the jobs I bring in.
> The Meditation-Contemplation-Prayer (MCP) charts are delightfully probing,
pushy in church retreats. In addition, for 40 years I've used the MCP
charts in an EI-created breviary. Each box in Meditation, for example, has
some prose attached to it. I got it sometime around 1970. Don't know who
put together the breviary, but I daily give thanks for the workshop, (task
force, PSU, whatever) that put it together.
> Enjoy!
> Tom Morrison
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