[Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event
Marianna Bailey
wmbailey at charter.net
Fri Mar 12 08:37:37 CST 2010
We are thinking about going one of the weeks in May. Is there anyone else in
the south east going? We would love to carpool if possible.
The Bailey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herman Greene" <hfgreene at mindspring.com>
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>; "'Colleague
Dialogue'" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>
Cc: "'Pamela Bergdall'" <pbergdall at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event
> Great idea
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf
> Of Terry Bergdall
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:29 AM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community; Colleague Dialogue
> Cc: Pamela Bergdall
> Subject: [Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event
>
> Herman's comments (see below) about pulling together our wisdom strikes a
> cord with me.
>
> As you know, the month of May is a time we have dedicated to work on the
> Archives at 4750 in Chicago. That is when we hope to have groups of people
> working each week. This will involve sorting, ordering, and transferring
> materials to new space on the sixth floor. It also will be a time of
> eliminating duplications and identifying gaps so that we can actively
> seeks
> to fill them from the countless personal files people have around the
> world.
>
> Beyond these tasks, we will have an invigorating community life in the
> evenings of good conversation and celebration. It strikes me that this
> could
> also be an excellent time to push Herman's idea down the road: what would
> be involved? what practical form would it take? how can it be a collective
> effort? what are the practical opportunities for anyone, wherever in the
> world they might be, to contribute to the process? A model needs to be
> built. While we certainly don't have to wait until May to start building
> it,
> it does seem to me that the gathered physical energy that will be present
> during that month could do some work on it ... as well as dealing with the
> important job related to pieces of papers.
>
> Think about. I also urge you all to think about coming and spending a week
> during May in Chicago. We are in the final stages for renovating the rooms
> on the eighth floor with new floors, painted walls, new bedroom furniture,
> new bathroom fixtures (all to host the 40 people coming at the end of
> March
> for the International Initiatives Think Tank). The Archives volunteer
> coordination team of Marge Philbrook, Pam Bergdall, and Rosemary Albright
> will soon be sending out additional details about May activities. As you
> hear more about these, please consider being a part of it.
>
> Terry
>
> On 11 Mar 2010, at 21:11, Herman Greene wrote:
>
>> All of this is reminding me why I proposed that we pull together the
> wisdom of EI. This is something different than getting pieces of paper
> into
> the archives.
>>
>> Herman
>>
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of William Salmon
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08 PM
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>
>> Tom--
>> Is what you are calling the NRM breviary the "Canonical Hours." If
>> so,
> are they in the archives? I'd like to get a copy of it. I used it when
> traveling for the ICA and later.
>> Thanks.
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Thomas Morrison
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> All the many comments are chipping the rust off of 40yo memories . . .
>> 1) I have a place mat from the 10th Global Research Assembly (1974) that
> shows the 9-NRM charts under the title "The Secular Religious '68".
>> 2) I had the NRM papers to read while I was in the US Army and still
> living at Fort Ord (late 1970).
>> Further, I think Lutheran Community Church had gotten into the Local
> Church Experiment (LCX) by the time (late 1970-early 1971).
>>
>> Granting all that, then the NRM charts and the NRM breviary (the Hours
> included) would have come to me while part of the Watsonville, CA cadre
> and
> through the LCX, no later than early 1971.
>> Does this sound familiar to others too? Ruth? Evelyn? George?
>>
>> Tom Morrison
>>
>> PS I still have five Social-Process-Triangle papers, all very long.
> They have been useful in community organizing, but not the easiest thing
> for
> me to remember.. Alas, I no longer have the LCX "tertiary" books--when I
> finally internalized them and then moved, they went to the land fill.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Gilles
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I also have a Prayer paper by David, but it was not from the Summer, but
> the Spring of 70. I particularly remember the illustration of Fred's
> about
> sitting in a booth and talking about seeing the lady in the next booth
> 'ear'
> grow bigger and bigger as they talked. Now I may be mistaken, but that's
> how I remember it. I guess we could ask Fred or David which of them gave
> it. The lectures of S70 when printed did not have the names of who gave
> them on them.
>>
>> Jack
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:20 PM, David Walters wrote:
>>
>>
>> I remember these from the summer of 70 and thet David Scot did the Prayer
> lecture. i still have a copy of it.
>>
>> David Walters.
>>
>> PS That same summer I was sitting next to David on the floor in the back
> of Room A against the wall when he mumbled sommething disparaging about
> the
> person in the front of the room and what he was rambling on about and the
> person on the other side of David elbowed him in the ribs and declared
> that
> he could someday find himself on a deserted island and that the person up
> front could be his only collegue.
>>
>> Herman,
>>
>> The charts you are talking about are The Other World Charts (land, river,
> mountain and sea). The NRM charts were the work of 1968, but may have
> begun
> in 67 or even earlier. They were the foundation to the Odyssey, the first
> of which was held in the South side RH in Chicago. I was in that first
> event, taught by Fishel and Hess among others. We didn't make and NSV
> charts, but shortly thereafter we created the Social Process triangles. I
> have several papers of talks by JWM on the relationship between the NRM
> and
> NSV, but for me, the insight that has struck me is that the NSV is the
> NRM
> and vice versa. They are two sides of the same coin, and it is a matter
> of
> transparency from one to the other. I think the NRM 144's is perhaps the
> best work we ever did and the talks of Summer 68 in the Great Hall (JWM
> did
> three of them, Meditation, Poverty and Transparent Being) were awesome.
> George West did Contemplation, Gene Marshall did Chastity and Fred Buss
> did
> Prayer. Fred Hess did I believe Transparent Doing but I don't remember
> who
> did Obedience and Transparent Knowing.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Herman Greene wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a question as well and am amazed that I had mistaken the NRM for
> the charts concerning the Mountain of Care, River ofConsciousness, etc.
> What
> did we call the Mountain of Care, etc. charts and are they available? Are
> they on the Golden Pathways CD, which I have?
>> I am also with Frank in asking when did the NRM charts arise?
>> Further I do remember that NRM was in tandem with the New Social Vehicle.
> Where are the NSV charts?
>> Herman
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of frank bremner
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:38 PM
>> To: Dialogue OE
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>> G'day folks!
>>
>> I have copies of the NRM charts and (somewhere in storage) some printed
> notes about the 144s. But I never found out just what the 144s were about.
> I see that 16 boxes for each NRM chart x 9 charts = 144 boxes. Were the
> 144s the precursors to the NM charts? And when did they arise?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Frank Bremner
>>
>> From: 2tjmorrison at gmail.com
>> To: oe at wedgeblade.net
>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:00:59 -0500
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts.
>>
>> Hi!
>> It is my pleasure to e mail everyone a copy of the NRM charts. I think
> they are among the best products put together by the 1970s Movement.
>> The charts are 3.71 MB . . . .
>> Tom Morrison
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: M. George Walters
>> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
>> If we can get a collection of the PDF's we can put together in a booklet
> under Resurgence Publishing that can be a download for anyone from our
> website.
>> If I had a set of the documents, I can scan to PDF and then return the
> documents to their owner.
>> With kindest regards.
>> M. George Walters
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>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of Tracy E. Longacre
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 00:41
>> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
>> Tom or Bill,
>> Can you send me the PDFs of the NRM charts?
>> Tracy E. Longacre
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> -Trevor Hall
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of William Salmon
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 4:58 AM
>> To: Thomas Morrison
>> Cc: Ecumenical Order
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
>> Tom --
>> Well, well! Just as I got all of the charts together and ready to
>> mail
> off to Mary Hopkins, thanks to Ann Jaeks for her labors in getting them
> faxed to me in color. Tom, the charts are beautiful. Thanks so much.
>> Bill Salmon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Thomas Morrison
>> To: kartes at aol.com ; walters at alaweb.com ; William Salmon ; Shelley Hahn ;
> Bill Parker
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: charts
>> Hi everyone,
>> I've attached the nine NRM charts as a pdf. Blessed be Paul at Office
> Depot who always knows what to do for the jobs I bring in.
>> The Meditation-Contemplation-Prayer (MCP) charts are delightfully
>> probing,
> pushy in church retreats. In addition, for 40 years I've used the MCP
> charts in an EI-created breviary. Each box in Meditation, for example,
> has
> some prose attached to it. I got it sometime around 1970. Don't know who
> put together the breviary, but I daily give thanks for the workshop, (task
> force, PSU, whatever) that put it together.
>> Enjoy!
>> Tom Morrison
>>
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