[Oe List ...] Salmon: The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
William Salmon
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Fri Mar 12 11:19:29 CST 2010
Fantastic! Bill Salmon
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From: Susan Fertig
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Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:11 AM
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I have a copy of the Canonical Hours. I will try to scan it and send.
Susan
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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of William Salmon
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08 PM
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Tom--
Is what you are calling the NRM breviary the "Canonical Hours." If so, are they in the archives? I'd like to get a copy of it. I used it when traveling for the ICA and later.
Thanks.
Bill
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From: Thomas Morrison
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:34 PM
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Hi everyone,
All the many comments are chipping the rust off of 40yo memories . . .
1) I have a place mat from the 10th Global Research Assembly (1974) that shows the 9-NRM charts under the title "The Secular Religious '68".
2) I had the NRM papers to read while I was in the US Army and still living at Fort Ord (late 1970).
Further, I think Lutheran Community Church had gotten into the Local Church Experiment (LCX) by the time (late 1970-early 1971).
Granting all that, then the NRM charts and the NRM breviary (the Hours included) would have come to me while part of the Watsonville, CA cadre and through the LCX, no later than early 1971.
Does this sound familiar to others too? Ruth? Evelyn? George?
Tom Morrison
PS I still have five Social-Process-Triangle papers, all very long. They have been useful in community organizing, but not the easiest thing for me to remember.. Alas, I no longer have the LCX "tertiary" books--when I finally internalized them and then moved, they went to the land fill.
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From: Jack Gilles
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:28 PM
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David,
I also have a Prayer paper by David, but it was not from the Summer, but the Spring of 70. I particularly remember the illustration of Fred's about sitting in a booth and talking about seeing the lady in the next booth 'ear' grow bigger and bigger as they talked. Now I may be mistaken, but that's how I remember it. I guess we could ask Fred or David which of them gave it. The lectures of S70 when printed did not have the names of who gave them on them.
Jack
On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:20 PM, David Walters wrote:
I remember these from the summer of 70 and thet David Scot did the Prayer lecture. i still have a copy of it.
David Walters.
PS That same summer I was sitting next to David on the floor in the back of Room A against the wall when he mumbled sommething disparaging about the person in the front of the room and what he was rambling on about and the person on the other side of David elbowed him in the ribs and declared that he could someday find himself on a deserted island and that the person up front could be his only collegue.
Herman,
The charts you are talking about are The Other World Charts (land, river, mountain and sea). The NRM charts were the work of 1968, but may have begun in 67 or even earlier. They were the foundation to the Odyssey, the first of which was held in the South side RH in Chicago. I was in that first event, taught by Fishel and Hess among others. We didn't make and NSV charts, but shortly thereafter we created the Social Process triangles. I have several papers of talks by JWM on the relationship between the NRM and NSV, but for me, the insight that has struck me is that the NSV is the NRM and vice versa. They are two sides of the same coin, and it is a matter of transparency from one to the other. I think the NRM 144's is perhaps the best work we ever did and the talks of Summer 68 in the Great Hall (JWM did three of them, Meditation, Poverty and Transparent Being) were awesome. George West did Contemplation, Gene Marshall did Chastity and Fred Buss did Prayer. Fred Hess did I believe Transparent Doing but I don't remember who did Obedience and Transparent Knowing.
Jack
On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Herman Greene wrote:
I have a question as well and am amazed that I had mistaken the NRM for the charts concerning the Mountain of Care, River ofConsciousness, etc. What did we call the Mountain of Care, etc. charts and are they available? Are they on the Golden Pathways CD, which I have?
I am also with Frank in asking when did the NRM charts arise?
Further I do remember that NRM was in tandem with the New Social Vehicle. Where are the NSV charts?
Herman
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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of frank bremner
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
G'day folks!
I have copies of the NRM charts and (somewhere in storage) some printed notes about the 144s. But I never found out just what the 144s were about. I see that 16 boxes for each NRM chart x 9 charts = 144 boxes. Were the 144s the precursors to the NM charts? And when did they arise?
Cheers
Frank Bremner
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From: 2tjmorrison at gmail.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:00:59 -0500
Subject: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts.
Hi!
It is my pleasure to e mail everyone a copy of the NRM charts. I think they are among the best products put together by the 1970s Movement.
The charts are 3.71 MB . . . .
Tom Morrison
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From: M. George Walters
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Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:08 AM
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If we can get a collection of the PDF's we can put together in a booklet under Resurgence Publishing that can be a download for anyone from our website.
If I had a set of the documents, I can scan to PDF and then return the documents to their owner.
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Tom or Bill,
Can you send me the PDFs of the NRM charts?
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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of William Salmon
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 4:58 AM
To: Thomas Morrison
Cc: Ecumenical Order
Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
Tom --
Well, well! Just as I got all of the charts together and ready to mail off to Mary Hopkins, thanks to Ann Jaeks for her labors in getting them faxed to me in color. Tom, the charts are beautiful. Thanks so much.
Bill Salmon
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From: Thomas Morrison
To: kartes at aol.com ; walters at alaweb.com ; William Salmon ; Shelley Hahn ; Bill Parker
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: charts
Hi everyone,
I've attached the nine NRM charts as a pdf. Blessed be Paul at Office Depot who always knows what to do for the jobs I bring in.
The Meditation-Contemplation-Prayer (MCP) charts are delightfully probing, pushy in church retreats. In addition, for 40 years I've used the MCP charts in an EI-created breviary. Each box in Meditation, for example, has some prose attached to it. I got it sometime around 1970. Don't know who put together the breviary, but I daily give thanks for the workshop, (task force, PSU, whatever) that put it together.
Enjoy!
Tom Morrison
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