[Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Marilyn Crocker

Fri Mar 12 17:33:14 CST 2010

Randy,

You're right.  A pressure point example was "Deliberative Systems", a  
whistle point was "Demonstration".  A whistle point is what action you  
did and pressure point was where you did it.

Jack
On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:56 PM, R Williams wrote:

> Marshall,
>
> That's the way I remember it.  Whistle points are where you stand,  
> as you said, to blow the whistle to start the avalanche.  My  
> understanding of pressure points is, they are not the donkey on the  
> bridge.  They are where you apply pressure to stop the bleeding.   
> Both have tactical value, if you can remember the difference.
>
> Randy
>
> --- On Fri, 3/12/10, W. J. <synergi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: W. J. <synergi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Marilyn Crocker
> To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 4:27 PM
>
> Maybe I zoned out somewhere between the pressure points and the  
> whistle points (or maybe I just don't get the point), but I vaguely  
> remember there is a difference. Whistle points are, unobviously and  
> possibly unobtrusively, where you stand and whistle to release the  
> avalanche of change (and hope you jump out of the way before you  
> blow the whistle)--at least according to our social analysis. And  
> pressure points are where (to insert my phrase--which could be  
> totally OTL) there's obvious congestion. Something about where the  
> rubber hits the road, or was that more of a squeaky wheel thing?
> Comments? Answers? Hello, out there!
> Marshall
>
> From: William Salmon <wsalmon at cox.net>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 1:38:32 PM
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Marilyn Crocker
>
> Marilyn--
>     You said it correctly and I did not. Memory fades on the  
> nomenclature, plus "old age" is the best damn excuse, eh what?   
> Thanks, Marilyn
>     Whatever the term, the Whistle Points are welcome information  
> offering a spark of hope in a rather bleak world. Everyone I talk to  
> is keenly aware of the imbalance, but they have no idea that there  
> is a plan on how to re-balance the social process.
>     Interestingly, many already are doing little replicable  
> projects, but they have no way to name what they are doing so as to  
> understand the larger, global context. They are a part of a new  
> emerging consensus and living unawakened to the significance of what  
> they are doing. We are living on the cusp experiencing the collapse  
> of the Modern WorldView while giving birth to the Post-Modern  
> worldview.
>     I spelled this out in a conversation with one of the Social  
> Justice Professors at Kansas Wesleyan University here in Salina.  
> (Interestingly, he reminded me that I recruited him as a student to  
> come to this college from a Chicago high school.) He immediately  
> could relate to the triangles and explain them to one of his  
> colleagues.
>     The "Hundredth Monkey" reigns?
>     Inner Peace,
>     Pastor Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marilyncrocker
> To: oe at wedgeblade.net
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Whistle Points
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I'm not able to comment directly on your inquiry re: the Whistle  
> Points, but was interested in your use of our methods in premarital  
> counselling.
>
> My comment is just a "lower case footnote" to your e-mail: I'm  
> remembering that we were not so much interested in illustrating "the  
> collapse" of the Social Process, but rather the "imbalance" among  
> the triangles, such that we might determine how re balancing might  
> occur.
>
> You probably intended that, but I wasn't sure from what you wrote.
>
> With appreciation,
>
> Marilyn
>
>
> Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D
> Crocker & Associates, Inc.
> 123 Sanborn Road
> West Newfield, ME 04095
> (207) 793-3711
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:17:15 -0600 "William Salmon"  
> <wsalmon at cox.net> writes:
> Colleague,
>     Recently, we've said so much about the New Religious Mode  
> charts, but nothing is reported on the Whistle Points associated  
> with the Social Process triangles and the Triangle chart  
> illustrating the collapse of the Social Process.
>     By-the-way, I used the SP triangles in Pre-marital counseling  
> classes where the couple and I did a workshop of their Hope and  
> Dreams and then located these on the 1st level chart and then named  
> the clusters.
>     Very effective, and impressive I might add.
>     More recently, I've used the SP triangles and the image of the  
> collapses with several groups and noted the Whistle Points as the  
> way in which to restore our systems.
>     I've got some of the old Ecclesiola workshops on the 144's, as  
> well as some of the workshop pieces using the 144's as Ecclesiola  
> meditations. Still useful as they are universal.
>     Anybody doing anything with the 9 Whistle Points?
>     Pastor Bill
>
>
>
>
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