[Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Marilyn Crocker
James Wiegel
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Fri Mar 12 18:01:41 CST 2010
Well, you would start by developing a background story of what you were doing and why that had enough power in it to attract a good number of people to participate. Then you would schedule an event that would give you a deadline by which you had to be ready. Then, in preparation, you would develop some core questions and a theoretical framework to use in gathering and synthesizing information. Next, you could start engaging people by having them find and report on relevant sources of data and information and feeding that into your core questions and theoretical framework. As you were doing that, you would, of course, be having to create proposals and raise money for the effort from a variety of sources. Next, figure out the venues and practical arrangements you need and add those into the budget, then put together a timeline to bring the people, the data and information, the core questions and the theoretical framework together and produce.
Jim
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From: David Walters <walters at alaweb.com>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 4:52:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Marilyn Crocker
If we were to try and locate the Whistle Points and
Pressure Points today, how would we do it? What procedures would we
use?
David Walters
----- Original Message -----
>From: Jack Gilles
>To: Order Ecumenical Community
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:33
>PM
>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon:
> Response to Marilyn Crocker
>
>Randy,
>
>
>
>You're right. A pressure point example was "Deliberative Systems",
> a whistle point was "Demonstration". A whistle point is what action you
> did and pressure point was where you did it.
>
>
>Jack
>
>On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:56 PM, R Williams wrote:
>
>Marshall,
>>
>>That's the way I remember it. Whistle points are where you
>> stand, as you said, to blow the whistle to start the
>> avalanche. My understanding of pressure points is, they are
>> not the donkey on the bridge. They are where you apply
>> pressure to stop the bleeding. Both have tactical
>> value, if you can remember the difference.
>>
>>Randy
>>
>>--- On Fri, 3/12/10, W. J. <synergi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From:
>>> W. J. <synergi at yahoo.com>
>>>Subject:
>>> Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Response to Marilyn Crocker
>>>To: "Order
>>> Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>>Date:
>>> Friday, March 12, 2010, 4:27 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe I zoned out somewhere between the
>>> pressure points and the whistle points (or maybe I just don't get
>>> the point), but I vaguely remember there is a difference. Whistle
>>> points are, unobviously and possibly unobtrusively, where you stand
>>> and whistle to release the avalanche of change (and hope you jump
>>> out of the way before you blow the whistle)--at least according to
>>> our social analysis. And pressure points are where (to insert my
>>> phrase--which could be totally OTL) there's obvious congestion.
>>> Something about where the rubber hits the road, or was that more of
>>> a squeaky wheel thing?
>>>Comments? Answers? Hello, out there!
>>>Marshall
>>>
>>>
>>>
________________________________
From: William Salmon <wsalmon at cox.net>
>>>To: Order Ecumenical Community
>>> <oe at wedgeblade.net>
>>>Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 1:38:32
>>> PM
>>>Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon:
>>> Response to Marilyn Crocker
>>>
>>>
>>>Marilyn--
>>>
>>> You said it correctly and I did not. Memory fades on the
>>> nomenclature, plus "old age" is the best damn excuse, eh what?
>>> Thanks, Marilyn
>>>
>>> Whatever the term, the Whistle Points are welcome information
>>> offering a spark of hope in a rather bleak world. Everyone I
>>> talk to is keenly aware of the imbalance, but they have no idea that
>>> there is a plan on how to re-balance the social
>>>process.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, many already are doing little replicable projects,
>>> but they have no way to name what they are doing so as to understand
>>> the larger, global context. They are a part of a new emerging
>>> consensus and living unawakened to the significance of what they are
>>> doing. We are living on the cusp experiencing the collapse of the
>>> Modern WorldView while giving birth to the Post-Modern
>>> worldview.
>>>
>>> I spelled this out in a conversation with one of the Social
>>> Justice Professors at Kansas Wesleyan University here in Salina.
>>> (Interestingly, he reminded me that I recruited him as a student to
>>> come to this college from a Chicago high school.) He
>>> immediately could relate to the triangles and explain them
>>> to one of his colleagues.
>>>
>>> The "Hundredth Monkey" reigns?
>>>
>>> Inner Peace,
>>>
>>> Pastor Bill
>>>----- Original Message
>>>> -----
>>>>From: marilyncrocker
>>>>To: oe at wedgeblade.net
>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010
>>>> 9:31 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon:
>>>> Whistle Points
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Bill,
>>>>
>>>>I'm not able to comment directly on your
>>>> inquiry re: the Whistle Points, but was interested in your use of
>>>> our methods in premarital counselling.
>>>>
>>>>My comment is just a "lower case
>>>> footnote" to your e-mail: I'm remembering that we were not so much
>>>> interested in illustrating "the collapse" of the Social Process,
>>>> but rather the "imbalance" among the triangles, such that we might
>>>> determine how re balancing might occur.
>>>>
>>>>You probably intended that, but I wasn't
>>>> sure from what you wrote.
>>>>
>>>>With appreciation,
>>>>
>>>>Marilyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D
>>>>Crocker
>>>> & Associates, Inc.
>>>>123 Sanborn Road
>>>>West Newfield, ME
>>>> 04095
>>>>(207) 793-3711
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:17:15 -0600
>>>> "William Salmon" <wsalmon at cox.net>
>>>> writes:
>>>>Colleague,
>>>>> Recently, we've said so much about
>>>>> the New Religious Mode charts, but nothing is reported on the
>>>>> Whistle Points associated with the Social Process triangles and
>>>>> the Triangle chart illustrating the collapse of the Social
>>>>> Process.
>>>>> By-the-way, I used the SP
>>>>> triangles in Pre-marital counseling classes where the couple and
>>>>> I did a workshop of their Hope and Dreams and then located these
>>>>> on the 1st level chart and then named
>>>>> the clusters.
>>>>> Very effective, and impressive I
>>>>> might add.
>>>>> More recently, I've used the SP
>>>>> triangles and the image of the collapses with several groups and
>>>>> noted the Whistle Points as the way in which to restore our
>>>>> systems.
>>>>> I've got some of the
>>>>> old Ecclesiola workshops on the 144's, as well as some of
>>>>> the workshop pieces using the 144's as Ecclesiola meditations.
>>>>> Still useful as they are universal.
>>>>> Anybody doing anything with the 9
>>>>> Whistle Points?
>>>>> Pastor Bill
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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