[Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event

Fri Mar 12 21:02:50 CST 2010

Thanks, Carlos - very interesting  how you have named the foundational poles
(economic), the poles where competing interests are made to work together
(political); and the overarching, meaning-giving poles (cultural).  I would
think that businesses and agencies would find these triangles very helpful
in thinking through their own challenges - and finding the inbalances as a
first step in re-balancing.

It's exciting to see how people are developing specific uses for some of the
classical constructs!  Bill Salmon's pre-marital counseling sounds very 
creative also.

Janice Ulangca

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlos R. Zervigon" <carlos at zervigon.com>
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event

>I have attached my Project Management Areas of Knowledge Triangle Model for
> anybody who cares to use.
>
> Cheers
>
> Carlos R. Zervigon, PMP
> Zervigon International, Ltd.
> 817 Antonine St.
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf
> Of Terry Bergdall
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:29 AM
> To: Order Ecumenical Community; Colleague Dialogue
> Cc: Pamela Bergdall
> Subject: [Oe List ...] 144s, etc, and the May Archives event
>
> Herman's comments (see below) about pulling together our wisdom strikes a
> cord with me.
>
> As you know, the month of May is a time we have dedicated to work on the
> Archives at 4750 in Chicago. That is when we hope to have groups of people
> working each week. This will involve sorting, ordering, and transferring
> materials to new space on the sixth floor. It also will be a time of
> eliminating duplications and identifying gaps so that we can actively
> seeks
> to fill them from the countless personal files people have around the
> world.
>
> Beyond these tasks, we will have an invigorating community life in the
> evenings of good conversation and celebration. It strikes me that this
> could
> also be an excellent time to push Herman's idea down the road:  what would
> be involved? what practical form would it take? how can it be a collective
> effort? what are the practical opportunities for anyone, wherever in the
> world they might be, to contribute to the process? A model needs to be
> built. While we certainly don't have to wait until May to start building
> it,
> it does seem to me that the gathered physical energy that will be present
> during that month could do some work on it ... as well as dealing with the
> important job related to pieces of papers.
>
> Think about. I also urge you all to think about coming and spending a week
> during May in Chicago. We are in the final stages for renovating the rooms
> on the eighth floor with new floors, painted walls, new bedroom furniture,
> new bathroom fixtures (all to host the 40 people coming at the end of
> March
> for the International Initiatives Think Tank). The Archives volunteer
> coordination team of Marge Philbrook, Pam Bergdall, and Rosemary Albright
> will soon be sending out additional details about May activities. As you
> hear more about these, please consider being a part of it.
>
> Terry
>
> On 11 Mar 2010, at 21:11, Herman Greene wrote:
>
>> All of this is reminding me why I proposed that we pull together the
> wisdom of EI. This is something different than getting pieces of paper
> into
> the archives.
>>
>> Herman
>>
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of William Salmon
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08 PM
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>
>> Tom--
>>     Is what you are calling the NRM breviary the "Canonical Hours." If
>> so,
> are they in the archives? I'd like to get a copy of it. I used it when
> traveling for the ICA and later.
>>     Thanks.
>>     Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Thomas Morrison
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> All the many comments are chipping the rust off of 40yo memories . . .
>> 1)  I have a place mat from the 10th Global Research Assembly (1974) that
> shows the 9-NRM charts under the title "The Secular Religious '68".
>> 2)  I had the NRM papers to read while I was in the US Army and still
> living at Fort Ord (late 1970).
>> Further, I think Lutheran Community Church had gotten into the Local
> Church Experiment (LCX) by the time (late 1970-early 1971).
>>
>> Granting all that, then the NRM charts and the NRM breviary (the Hours
> included) would have come to me while part of the Watsonville, CA cadre
> and
> through the LCX, no later than early 1971.
>> Does this sound familiar to others too?  Ruth?  Evelyn?  George?
>>
>> Tom Morrison
>>
>> PS  I still have five Social-Process-Triangle papers,  all very long.
> They have been useful in community organizing, but not the easiest thing
> for
> me to remember..  Alas, I no longer have the LCX "tertiary" books--when I
> finally internalized them and then moved, they went to the land fill.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Gilles
>> To: Order Ecumenical Community
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I also have a Prayer paper by David, but it was not from the Summer, but
> the Spring of 70.  I particularly remember the illustration of Fred's
> about
> sitting in a booth and talking about seeing the lady in the next booth
> 'ear'
> grow bigger and bigger as they talked.  Now I may be mistaken, but that's
> how I remember it.  I guess we could ask Fred or David which of them gave
> it.  The lectures of S70 when printed did not have the names of who gave
> them on them.
>>
>> Jack
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:20 PM, David Walters wrote:
>>
>>
>> I remember these from the summer of 70 and thet David Scot did the Prayer
> lecture. i still have a copy of it.
>>
>> David Walters.
>>
>> PS  That same summer I was sitting next to David on the floor in the back
> of Room A against the wall when he mumbled  sommething disparaging about
> the
> person in the front of the room and  what he was rambling on about and the
> person on the other side of David elbowed him in the ribs and declared
> that
> he could someday find himself on a deserted island and  that the person up
> front could be his only collegue.
>>
>> Herman,
>>
>> The charts you are talking about are The Other World Charts (land, river,
> mountain and sea).  The NRM charts were the work of 1968, but may have
> begun
> in 67 or even earlier.  They were the foundation to the Odyssey, the first
> of which was held in the South side RH in Chicago.  I was in that first
> event, taught by Fishel and Hess among others.  We didn't make and NSV
> charts, but shortly thereafter we created the Social Process triangles.  I
> have several papers of talks by JWM on the relationship between the NRM
> and
> NSV, but for me, the insight that has struck me is that the NSV is  the
> NRM
> and vice versa.  They are two sides of the same coin, and it is a matter
> of
> transparency from one to the other.   I think the NRM 144's is perhaps the
> best work we ever did and the talks of Summer 68 in the Great Hall (JWM
> did
> three of them, Meditation, Poverty and Transparent Being) were awesome.
> George West did Contemplation, Gene Marshall did Chastity and Fred Buss
> did
> Prayer.  Fred Hess did I believe Transparent Doing but I don't remember
> who
> did Obedience and Transparent Knowing.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Herman Greene wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a question as well and am amazed that I had mistaken the NRM for
> the charts concerning the Mountain of Care, River ofConsciousness, etc.
> What
> did we call the Mountain of Care, etc. charts and are they available? Are
> they on the Golden Pathways CD, which I have?
>> I am also with Frank in asking when did the NRM charts arise?
>> Further I do remember that NRM was in tandem with the New Social Vehicle.
> Where are the NSV charts?
>> Herman
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of frank bremner
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:38 PM
>> To: Dialogue OE
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>> G'day folks!
>>
>> I have copies of the NRM charts and (somewhere in storage) some printed
> notes about the 144s. But I never found out just what the 144s were about.
> I see that 16 boxes for each NRM chart x 9 charts = 144 boxes.  Were the
> 144s the precursors to the NM charts?  And when did they arise?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Frank Bremner
>>
>> From: 2tjmorrison at gmail.com
>> To: oe at wedgeblade.net
>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:00:59 -0500
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts.
>>
>> Hi!
>> It is my pleasure to e mail everyone a copy of the NRM charts.  I think
> they are among the best products put together by the 1970s Movement.
>> The charts are 3.71 MB . . . .
>> Tom Morrison
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: M. George Walters
>> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
>> If we can get a collection of the PDF's we can put together in a booklet
> under Resurgence Publishing that can be a download for anyone from our
> website.
>> If I had a set of the documents, I can scan to PDF and then return the
> documents to their owner.
>> With kindest regards.
>> M. George Walters
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>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of Tracy E. Longacre
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 00:41
>> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
>> Tom or Bill,
>> Can you send me the PDFs of the NRM charts?
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> -Trevor Hall
>> From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of William Salmon
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 4:58 AM
>> To: Thomas Morrison
>> Cc: Ecumenical Order
>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's charts
>> Tom --
>>     Well, well! Just as I got all of the charts together and ready to
>> mail
> off to Mary Hopkins, thanks to Ann Jaeks for her labors in getting them
> faxed to me in color. Tom, the charts are beautiful. Thanks so much.
>>     Bill Salmon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Thomas Morrison
>> To: kartes at aol.com ; walters at alaweb.com ; William Salmon ; Shelley Hahn ;
> Bill Parker
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: charts
>> Hi everyone,
>> I've attached the nine NRM charts as a pdf.  Blessed be Paul at Office
> Depot who always knows what to do for the jobs I bring in.
>> The Meditation-Contemplation-Prayer (MCP) charts are delightfully
>> probing,
> pushy in church retreats.  In addition, for 40 years I've used the MCP
> charts in an EI-created breviary.  Each box in Meditation, for example,
> has
> some prose attached to it.  I got it sometime around 1970.  Don't know who
> put together the breviary, but I daily give thanks for the workshop, (task
> force, PSU, whatever) that put it together.
>> Enjoy!
>> Tom Morrison
>>
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