[Oe List ...] Salmon: The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
James Wiegel
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Mon Mar 15 12:50:21 CDT 2010
This thinking of Bill and Herman (and Jack and Marilyn and . . . ) has been behind the interviews Judy and I have been doing as well.
Jim
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From: Bill Parker <bparker175 at cox.net>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 9:07:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: The new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
It is very different from pieces of
paper getting put into the archival file folders. What is happening here is the
"Living Archives" at work trying to knock off some of the rust to see just what
it is we know, or knew. As we present it here, informally, it reveals so
much in that a part of our lives we have forgotten what it was
and at the same time we have absorbed it to the point beyond words, charts,
lectures, etc.
Now is the time this "Living Legacy"
awakens on its corporate death bed (I mean we are literally becoming ancient and
dying) and allow that legacy to create a whole new understanding of THE
ECUMENICAL INSTITUTE. You know, not the Christian one, but the one
grounding the other world in the midst of this world, and yes, its traditions.
We have never before been prepared to
do such a thing, but now it can be, and will be. The future of the planet
depends upon this and there is not a single person here that does not have major
contributions to give to it, regardless of how un-refined or refined our memory
of our past may be.
Think of it, here we are thinking we
are at the end of our time, when life and history is saying we have worked 50
years for this moment and we are the people to do it. Herman is right, but it is
not our past we need to recover but our future.
----- Original Message -----
>From: Herman
> Greene
>To: 'Order Ecumenical Community'
>Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:11
> PM
>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: The
> new Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>
>
>All of this is
> reminding me why I proposed that we pull together the wisdom of EI. This is
> something different than getting pieces of paper into the
> archives.
>
>Herman
>
>
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>From:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net > [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of William Salmon
>Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08
> PM
>To: > Order Ecumenical Community
>Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: The new
> Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>
>Tom--
> Is what you are
> calling the NRM breviary the "Canonical Hours." If so, are they in the
> archives? I'd like to get a copy of it. I used it when traveling for the
> ICA and later.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Bill
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From:Thomas
>> Morrison
>>To:Order Ecumenical
>> Community
>>Sent:>> Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:34 PM
>>Subject:Re: [Oe
>> List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the
>> 144s
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>All the many comments are chipping the rust off of
>> 40yo memories . . .
>>1) I have a place mat from the 10th Global
>> Research Assembly (1974) that shows the 9-NRM charts under the title "The
>> Secular Religious '68".
>>2) I had the NRM papers to read while I was in
>> the US Army and still living at
>> Fort
>> Ord (late
>> 1970).
>>Further, I think
>> Lutheran
>> Community
>> Church had gotten into the
>> Local Church Experiment (LCX) by the time (late 1970-early
>> 1971).
>>
>>Granting all that, then the NRM charts and the
>> NRM breviary (the Hours included) would have come to me while part of
>> the Watsonville ,
>> CA cadre and through the LCX,
>> no later than early 1971.
>>Does this sound familiar to others too?
>> Ruth? Evelyn? George?
>>
>>Tom Morrison
>>
>>PS I still have five Social-Process-Triangle
>> papers, all very long. They have been useful in community
>> organizing, but not the easiest thing for me to remember.. Alas, I no
>> longer have the LCX "tertiary" books--when I finally internalized them and
>> then moved, they went to the land fill.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From:Jack Gilles
>>>To:Order Ecumenical
>>> Community
>>>Sent:>>> Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:28 PM
>>>Subject:Re:
>>> [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode Charts and the
>>> 144s
>>>
>>>David,
>>>
>>>I also have a Prayer paper by David, but it was
>>> not from the Summer, but the Spring of 70. I particularly remember
>>> the illustration of Fred's about sitting in a booth and talking about
>>> seeing the lady in the next booth 'ear' grow bigger and bigger as they
>>> talked. Now I may be mistaken, but that's how I remember it. I
>>> guess we could ask Fred or David which of them gave it. The lectures
>>> of S70 when printed did not have the names of who gave them on
>>> them.
>>>
>>>Jack
>>>On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:20 PM, David Walters
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I remember these
>>> from the summer of 70 and thet David Scot did the Prayer lecture. i still
>>> have a copy of it.
>>>
>>>David
>>> Walters.
>>>
>>>PS That
>>> same summer I was sitting next to David on the floor in the back of Room A
>>> against the wall when he mumbled sommething disparaging about the
>>> person in the front of the room and what he was rambling on about
>>> and the person on the other side of David elbowed him in the ribs and
>>> declared that he could someday find himself on a deserted island and
>>> that the person up front could be his only collegue.
>>>
>>>Herman,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The
>>>> charts you are talking about are The Other World Charts (land, river,
>>>> mountain and sea). The NRM charts were the work of 1968, but may
>>>> have begun in 67 or even earlier. They were the foundation to the
>>>> Odyssey, the first of which was held in the South side RH in
>>>> Chicago . I
>>>> was in that first event, taught by Fishel and Hess among others.
>>>> We didn't make and NSV charts, but shortly thereafter we created
>>>> the Social Process triangles. I have several papers of talks by
>>>> JWM on the relationship between the NRM and NSV, but for me, the insight
>>>> that has struck me is that the NSV is the NRM and vice versa.
>>>> They are two sides of the same coin, and it is a matter of
>>>> transparency from one to the other. I think the NRM 144's is
>>>> perhaps the best work we ever did and the talks of Summer 68 in the
>>>> Great Hall (JWM did three of them, Meditation, Poverty and Transparent
>>>> Being) were awesome. George West did Contemplation, Gene Marshall
>>>> did Chastity and Fred Buss did Prayer. Fred Hess did I believe
>>>> Transparent Doing but I don't remember who did Obedience and Transparent
>>>> Knowing.
>>>>
>>>>Jack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mar
>>>> 9, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Herman Greene
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have a
>>>> question as well and am amazed that I had mistaken the NRM for the
>>>> charts concerning the
>>>> >>>> Mountain of
>>>> >>>> Care ,
>>>> River of
>>>> Consciousness , etc. What did we
>>>> call the
>>>> >>>>
>>>> Mountain of
>>>> >>>> Care , etc. charts
>>>> and are they available? Are they on the Golden Pathways CD, which I
>>>> have?
>>>>I am
>>>> also with Frank in asking when did the NRM charts
>>>> arise?
>>>>Further
>>>> I do remember that NRM was in tandem with the New Social Vehicle. Where
>>>> are the NSV charts?
>>>>Herman
>>>>
________________________________
>>>>From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of frank
>>>> bremner
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:38
>>>> PM
>>>>To: Dialogue OE
>>>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] The new
>>>> Religious Mode Charts and the 144s
>>>>G'day
>>>> folks!
>>>>
>>>>I have copies of
>>>> the NRM charts and (somewhere in storage) some printed notes about
>>>> the 144s. But I never found out just what the 144s were about. I
>>>> see that 16 boxes for each NRM chart x 9 charts = 144 boxes.
>>>> Were the 144s the precursors to the NM charts? And when did
>>>> they arise?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>
>>>>Frank
>>>> Bremner
>>>>
>>>>
________________________________
>>>>From: 2tjmorrison at gmail.com
>>>>To: oe at wedgeblade.net
>>>>Date: Tue, 9
>>>> Mar 2010 21:00:59 -0500
>>>>Subject: [Oe List ...] The new Religious Mode
>>>> Charts.
>>>>Hi!
>>>>It
>>>> is my pleasure to e mail everyone a copy of the NRM charts. I
>>>> think they are among the best products put together by the
>>>> 1970s Movement.
>>>>The
>>>> charts are 3.71 MB . . . .
>>>>Tom
>>>> Morrison
>>>>-----
>>>>> Original Message -----
>>>>>From: M. George
>>>>> Walters
>>>>>To: 'Order
>>>>> Ecumenical Community'
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>> March 09, 2010 8:08 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Oe List
>>>>> ...] Salmon: 144's charts
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>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010
>>>>> 00:41
>>>>>To: '
>>>>> Order Ecumenical
>>>>> Community '
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon:
>>>>> 144's charts
>>>>>Tom
>>>>> or Bill,
>>>>>Can
>>>>> you send me the PDFs of the NRM charts?
>>>>>
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>>>>>From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of William
>>>>> Salmon
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 4:58
>>>>> AM
>>>>>To: Thomas Morrison
>>>>>Cc: Ecumenical Order
>>>>>Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: 144's
>>>>> charts
>>>>>Tom
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, well! Just as I got all of the charts together and ready to mail
>>>>> off to Mary Hopkins, thanks to Ann Jaeks for her labors in getting
>>>>> them faxed to me in color. Tom, the charts are beautiful. Thanks so
>>>>> much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Salmon
>>>>>-----
>>>>>> Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Thomas
>>>>>> Morrison
>>>>>>To: kartes at aol.com ; walters at alaweb.com ; William Salmon ; Shelley Hahn ; Bill Parker
>>>>>>Sent: Monday,
>>>>>> March 08, 2010 7:47 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re:
>>>>>> charts
>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>> everyone,
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>> attached the nine NRM charts as a pdf. Blessed be Paul at
>>>>>> Office Depot who always knows what to do for the jobs I
>>>>>> bring in.
>>>>>>The
>>>>>> Meditation-Contemplation-Prayer (MCP) charts are delightfully
>>>>>> probing, pushy in church retreats. In addition, for 40 years
>>>>>> I've used the MCP charts in an EI-created breviary. Each
>>>>>> box in Meditation, for example, has some prose attached to it.
>>>>>> I got it sometime around 1970. Don't know who put together the
>>>>>> breviary, but I daily give thanks for the workshop, (task
>>>>>> force, PSU, whatever) that put it
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>Enjoy!
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>> Morrison
>>>>>>
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