[Oe List ...] Salmon: Whistle Points

Mon Mar 15 20:43:21 CDT 2010

Jim make some good comments that still hold true. I think we would probably
use a different term than bureaucratic systems now, perhaps administrative
systems or civil service (we need a renewed sense of public service in more
effective structures). The need for planning is certainly true. I was
reading The Predator state by James Galbraith last night (son of John
Kenneth Galbraith). He says our politics only allows planning for the
military and leaves all planning in the other sectors to "the market" (the
government being deemed ineffective and incapable of wise planning). As a
result we have no effective large scale social planning to meet the most
momentous looming problems ever, which require long-term planning as never
before.

With respect to Including mythology and creating a new story, Thomas Berry
and his followers have done a lot on this. I have been and remain concerned
about the universe story being a metanarrative, but nevertheless embedding
the human story in the evolutionary story has a lot to say for it. Further
we would not likely have thought that humans needed to define their new
understanding at the species level as a species among species and in a
geo-biological context, yet it is so. 

I also doubt that we had much of a concept of civil society as a balance to
government and business. I'm sure we never thought through labor, and the
role of labor and the interests they represent are not adequately held by
civil society. James Galbraith was commenting on how when his father wrote
the New Industrial State in the 1960s labor was a counterbalance to
government and business. 

With respect to the other than human world, both the living part an the
nonliving part, we are all struggling with how their interests are to be
represented.

Herman

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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
Of Jeanette Stanfield
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:52 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Whistle Points

Hi  Bill,

After the symposium in Washington last November I started looking for a
common framework that somehow pulled together many of the projects our
OE/EI/ICA community shared in Washington.  I came upon Jim Wiegel's three
paragraph explanation of the pressure points in the 1970s.  I found myself
thinking: yes those points have been our community-gathered and scattered-
marching orders for close to 40 years now.  And inclusive myth may be ready
to burst forth on our planet. 

Here's the passage I found:  The guides are the Pressure Points. Everything
is not demonstration, just because someone may want to paint a chemical
factory orange does not mean that would be helpful to the New Social
Vehicle. When you have to decide between painting a chemical factory orange
and a supermarket blue, how do you decide? How do we avoid a new activism?
Through adhering to the nine Pressure Points, we will have our guides. The
Pressure Points are the way in which we impact the social processes. After
Summer '71, we took the 385 proposals we wrote and related them again to the
Social Process Triangles. We discovered that most of the problems in the
Economic Process were healed either by the process called Anticipated Needs
or by the Process in the Political called Bureaucratic Systems. That is,
what the economic needed to get itself on the track was very simple:
Long-range planning and some way of controlling its immense power.

Five of the Pressure Points appear in the Cultural Triangle, three in the
Political and one in the Economic. This relates to our insights about the
imbalances in the social processes. The Pressure Points are our map, our
wave chart. These nine points are the focal points upon which the New Social
Vehicle will be built. The NSV will be built in Inclusive Mythology,
creating a story, a new mythology, a way of talking about what it is to be a
human being in society. It is being hammered out through Formal Methods,
discovering a new form of social responsibility, in people hammering out
modes of effective action. It is being built in Community Groupings, where
people are coming together to re-do local community, where people are giving
new significance to engagement in the local. It is being built in Basic
Roles, where people are crying that every human being participate and be
engaged in society. The NSV is being built where people are looking for
Knowledge Access, giving people the instruments they need to make decisions;
it is being built when the Washington Post is exposing or not exposing what
is going on in the world. It is being hammered out in Deliberative Systems,
where people are inventing new ways of making decisions, of forming
consensus, of creating grassroots polity. The New Social Vehicle is being
hammered out in Bureaucratic Systems, where people are looking for ways to
act effectively in society, where they are breaking through the morass of
bureaucracy. It is being built wherever people are doing, planning and
daring to anticipate the future.

The Pressure Points are our guide to audience. They tell us whom to impact,
to deal with, to formulate, to break loose for the sake of breaking loose
the whole of society.     James Wiegel

Take care,

Jeanette

On 11-Mar-10, at 10:31 PM, marilyncrocker wrote:

Hi Bill,

I'm not able to comment directly on your inquiry re: the Whistle Points, but
was interested in your use of our methods in premarital counselling.

My comment is just a "lower case footnote" to your e-mail: I'm remembering
that we were not so much interested in illustrating "the collapse" of the
Social Process, but rather the "imbalance" among the triangles, such that we
might determine how re balancing might occur.

You probably intended that, but I wasn't sure from what you wrote.

With appreciation,

Marilyn

Marilyn R. Crocker, Ed.D
Crocker & Associates, Inc.
123 Sanborn Road
West Newfield, ME 04095
(207) 793-3711

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:17:15 -0600 "William Salmon" <wsalmon at cox.net>
writes:

Colleague,

    Recently, we've said so much about the New Religious Mode charts, but
nothing is reported on the Whistle Points associated with the Social Process
triangles and the Triangle chart illustrating the collapse of the Social
Process.

    By-the-way, I used the SP triangles in Pre-marital counseling classes
where the couple and I did a workshop of their Hope and Dreams and then
located these on the 1st level chart and then named the clusters.

    Very effective, and impressive I might add.

    More recently, I've used the SP triangles and the image of the collapses
with several groups and noted the Whistle Points as the way in which to
restore our systems.

    I've got some of the old Ecclesiola workshops on the 144's, as well as
some of the workshop pieces using the 144's as Ecclesiola meditations. Still
useful as they are universal.

    Anybody doing anything with the 9 Whistle Points?

    Pastor Bill

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