[Oe List ...] Mayflower Compact

Herman Greene hfgreene at mindspring.com
Wed Nov 24 11:42:16 CST 2010 

Well, at least it’s not the only thing in our historical culture.

 

Herman

 

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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of JOHN L. EPPS
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:35 PM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Mayflower Compact

 

Thank you, George, for another example of why being a part of this
community is such a treasure: this reminder that our current propensity
towards individualism is not part of our historical culture.

John Epps

Quoting George Holcombe <geowanda at earthlink.net>:

> History is kind of funny that way, a little different look on
> Thanksgiving was in the Op. Ed. NY Times today, you can see at
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/opinion/24hall.html
>
> It's entitled Peace, Love and Puritanism authored by David Hall, a New
> England Historian.
>
> Perhaps Thanksgiving is a celebration about what we all bring (brought)
> to the table.
>
> George Holcombe
> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
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> geowanda at earthlink.net
>
> ‎"The future belongs to those who give the next generation reason for
> hope." -Teilhard de Chardin
>
> On Nov 24, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Herman Greene wrote:
>
> > I agree. The whole complex picture with all of its contradictions has
> to be received.
> >
> > I am grateful for these Pilgrims because, were it not for them, I
> wouldn’t be here, nor would all I have and see be here.
> >
> > And I am still clinging to and trying to make sense of what they
> truly believed was “the finest religion of the world, the highest
> intellectual, aesthetic, and moral development, the finest
> jurisprudence.”
> >
> > Herman
> >
> > From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of Charles or Doris Hahn
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 5:52 PM
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community
> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Mayflower Compact
> >
> > Hi Herman,
> >
> > Thanks for re-affirming Thomas Berry's and your and my understanding
> of what happened as a result of our arriving.  It resulted in the
> devestation not only of the environment, but also of unnumbered people.
> >
> > However, I think that for a day or two people are trying to stand in
> the shoes of that small band of people who were trying to get to a
> place where they could worship they way they desired unhindered by a
> state church.  There is a sense in which we could say that was a small
> concern in relation to the ultimate happening to this continent, but we
> should also ask ourselves "What are the dreams we have today, that are
> kin to those of the people one the Mayflower?"
> >
> > Thanks Again.
> > Charles
> >
> > From: Herman Greene <hfgreene at mindspring.com>
> > To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> > Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 5:34:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Mayflower Compact
> >
> > And again here is Thomas Berry’s view on understandings in the
> Compact
> >
> > In his chapter on “The North American Continent,” Thomas
> juxtaposes the culture of the American Indians and that of the
> Europeans settlers. The arrival of the Europeans in North America , he
> says, “could be considered as one of the more fateful moments in
> history, not only of this continent but of the entire planet…. Every
> living being on this continent might have shuddered with foreboding
> when that first tiny sail appeared over the Atlantic horizon” (p.
> 40).
> >
> >       The first peoples of North America and the European settlers
> held two sharply contending views of nature. “To indigenous
> people…the natural world was the manifestation of a numinous presence
> that gave meaning to all existence…. As seen by the Europeans the
> continent was here to serve human purposes though trade and commerce,
> as well as through the more immediate personal and household needs of
> the colonists. They had nothing spiritual to learn from this continent.
> Their attitude toward the land as primarily for use was the critical
> issue” (p. 44).
> >
> >       Culturally derived anthropocentrism caused insuperable
> difficulty for the Europeans in establishing any intimate rapport with
> the North American continent or its people. To Thomas, “Such
> orientation of Western consciousness had its fourfold origin in the
> Greek [humanistic] cultural tradition, the biblical-Christian religious
> tradition, the English political-legal tradition, and the economic
> tradition associated with the new vigor of the merchant class” (p.
> 45). To the Europeans “[t]heir human-spiritual formation was complete
> before they came. They came[, they thought,] with the finest religion
> of the world, the highest intellectual, aesthetic, and moral
> development, the finest jurisprudence. They needed this continent
> simply as a political refuge and as a region to be exploited” (p.
> 43). They were committed to a “divinely commissioned task of
> commercially exploiting this continent [and] could even experience a
> high spiritual exaltation in what [they] were doing” (p. 46).
> >
> >
> >
> > From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On
> Behalf Of Charles or Doris Hahn
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 5:25 PM
> > To: OE; Dialogue
> > Subject: [Oe List ...] Mayflower Compact
> >
> > Hi All
> > Here is a copy of The Mayflower Compact.  It is from the 1951 World
> Almanac.
> > Enjoy
> > Charles Hahn
> >
> > The Mayflower Compact
> > In the Name of God, Amen.  We whose names are underwritten, the loyal
> subjects
> > of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of Good, of
> Great Britain ,
> > France and Ireland King, Defender of the faith, etc,.
> > Having Undertaken,  for the glory of God, and advancement of the
> Christian faith
> > and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony
> in the
> > northern parts of Virginia , so by these presents solemnly and
> mutually in the
> > presence of God, and on of  another covenant and combine ourselves
> together into
> > a civil body politic, for our better ordering and preservation and
> furtherance
> > of the ends aforesaid: and by virtue hereof  to enact, constitute and
> frame such
> > just and equal laws, ordinances, act, constitutions and offices, from
> time to
> > time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general
> good of the
> > Colony: unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
> > In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod
> the 11 of
> > November, (Nov. 21 new style Calendar), in the year of the reign of
> our
> > sovereign Lord, King James of England , France and Ireland the
> eighteenth, and of
> > Scotland the fifty-fourth, Ano. Dom. 1620.
> > John Carver
> > William Bradford
> > Edward Winslow
> > William Brewster
> > Isaac Allerton
> > Myles Standish
> > John Alden
> > Samuel Fuller
> > Christopher Martin
> > William Mullins
> > William White
> > Richard Warren
> > John Howland
> > Stephhen Hopkins
> > Edward Tilly
> > John Tilly
> > Francis Cook
> > Thomas Rogers
> > Thomas Tinker
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