[Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue

Tue Sep 21 09:11:34 CDT 2010

Happy birthday, Herman.  look back and savor the marvellous life you have lived.  Be careful, also, back in May I celebrated my 65th, and I am still at sea with the transition, some prop way down in my being dissolved . . .

I read a book my wife was using in her high school classes, where a girl had turned 12, and she was so excited and so proud and all, then, when she got to school, something happened and she responded like a three year old.  Her reflection was:

The difficult thing about being 12 is that you are also still 3 and 5 and 8, those previous ages don't quite go away, they stay with you and any one of them may come up at any time.

God bless . . .

Jim

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--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Herman Greene <hgreene at greenelawnc.com> wrote:

From: Herman Greene <hgreene at greenelawnc.com>
Subject: [Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:14 AM

Today is my 65th birthday. It’s one of
those milestone years. A person once said to me that at any given age, one can
say “A lot of people have been, e.g., 65, but for you it’s
something you’ve never experienced before.” Then he said you can
pass on knowledge but not experience, you have to experience your own
experience.  

So my experience is . . . well I guess I really am an elder,
senior or whatever you call it now. So I’ll have to find out what this is
about. 

I have a name for an aspect of our old pedagogy. It is “puncture”
pedagogy, as in puncturing illusions and cutting through defenses to get to the
heart of the matter. When I think of this, I think of Donna McCleskey and Fred
Hess as being particular adept at this.  

I have always carried a part of this way of being a
communicator with me—as you might expect, with mixed success. People get
angry sometimes and they often don’t see what from your vantage point is
the heart of the matter and instead see only arrogance. And sometimes, I am
sure I have been arrogant and not a pedagogue at all when using this “method.”

This leads to an apology to Terry Bergdall. I didn’t
give what he wrote about the mission of ICA 
its due. And I’ll beg off my self-initiated debate on content, method . .
. process, medium, etc., they are all important. 

And this leads to dialogue which I proposed as a method. I
happened across an article I had saved on this method and was struck by the
first principle of dialogue, which is to suspend judgment. Well this punctures
my illusion of how well I am practicing dialogue as a method. 

Here are the seven principles: 

The dialogue as a method 

The seven commandments
of the dialogue method 

 Suspending judgment

 Identifying and suspending one’s own assumptions

 Beginning by listening

 The basis is investigation and reflection

 Attention to non-verbal communication

 Good discussion guidelines

 Firm chairing 

Kerk en Wereld

Dialogue as a method 

There is a more extensive presentation attached. 

Debate is one-way communication with the goal being to exert
influence. 

Dialogue is two-way communication aiming at consensus, or at
least growing from another’s viewpoint. 

In an event, I believe dialogue is part of the new pedagogy,
and, being older and wiser now, I apologize to Terry. 

Herman  

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