[Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue

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Happy Birthday, Herman!  We celebrate your being in History!

Thanks for forwarding the Dialogue As a Method info.

Ellie Stock






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From: Herman Greene <hgreene at greenelawnc.com>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 8:14 am
Subject: [Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue



Today is my 65th birthday. It’s one of those milestone years. A person once said to me that at any given age, one can say “A lot of people have been, e.g., 65, but for you it’s something you’ve never experienced before.” Then he said you can pass on knowledge but not experience, you have to experience your own experience. 
 
So my experience is . . . well I guess I really am an elder, senior or whatever you call it now. So I’ll have to find out what this is about.
 
I have a name for an aspect of our old pedagogy. It is “puncture” pedagogy, as in puncturing illusions and cutting through defenses to get to the heart of the matter. When I think of this, I think of Donna McCleskey and Fred Hess as being particular adept at this. 
 
I have always carried a part of this way of being a communicator with me—as you might expect, with mixed success. People get angry sometimes and they often don’t see what from your vantage point is the heart of the matter and instead see only arrogance. And sometimes, I am sure I have been arrogant and not a pedagogue at all when using this “method.” 
 
This leads to an apology to Terry Bergdall. I didn’t give what he wrote about the mission of ICA its due. And I’ll beg off my self-initiated debate on content, method . . . process, medium, etc., they are all important.
 
And this leads to dialogue which I proposed as a method. I happened across an article I had saved on this method and was struck by the first principle of dialogue, which is to suspend judgment. Well this punctures my illusion of how well I am practicing dialogue as a method.
 
Here are the seven principles:
 
The dialogue as a method
The seven commandments of the dialogue method

Suspending judgment
 
Identifying and suspending one’s own assumptions
 
Beginning by listening
 
The basis is investigation and reflection
 
Attention to non-verbal communication
 
Good discussion guidelines
 
Firm chairing

Kerk en Wereld
Dialogue as a method
There is a more extensive presentation attached.
 
Debate is one-way communication with the goal being to exert influence.
 
Dialogue is two-way communication aiming at consensus, or at least growing from another’s viewpoint.
 
In an event, I believe dialogue is part of the new pedagogy, and, being older and wiser now, I apologize to Terry.
 
Herman 
 
  
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