[Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue

Wed Sep 22 07:31:02 CDT 2010

Thanks so much to Janice and others who have made these wonderful comments.
Like Janice I am thankful for this dialogue we are sharing.

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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf
Of Janice Ulangca
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:46 AM
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy,an apology and
dialogue

To all who are thinking about the Emerging Shape of the New Order,

I am immensely grateful for this conversation, and for all your
contributions.  Just this morning: From Herman, the fine Dialogue paper,
Marianna's reminder of Joe Slicker's wonder-full Note to the Order.
Previously, Bill Parker's passionate paper and all the responses to it,
including Terry's work on the urgent need to redefine ICA.  And all
comments. I'll add some thoughts - but not until finishing a demanding
co-facilitation gig with agency staff that wants to explore Nonviolent
Communication.  Living the messages is exactly the challenge - goes way
beyond offering clarity and experiential learning experiences.

Much thankfulness for this group of people. And from one who just passed the
3/4 century mark - 65 is a terrific age.  For many, it marks release from
9-5 and into freedom to do what needs to be done.  Don't know what our
society would do without the 65+ folks.  Herman and Jim,  you've been free
for a long time.  Go men go - and be the role models only you can be.

Much affection,

Janice Ulangca

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From: Herman <mailto:hgreene at greenelawnc.com>  Greene 

To: 'Order Ecumenical <mailto:oe at wedgeblade.net>  Community' 

Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:14 AM

Subject: [Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy,an apology and
dialogue

Today is my 65th birthday. It's one of those milestone years. A person once
said to me that at any given age, one can say "A lot of people have been,
e.g., 65, but for you it's something you've never experienced before." Then
he said you can pass on knowledge but not experience, you have to experience
your own experience. 

So my experience is . . . well I guess I really am an elder, senior or
whatever you call it now. So I'll have to find out what this is about.

I have a name for an aspect of our old pedagogy. It is "puncture" pedagogy,
as in puncturing illusions and cutting through defenses to get to the heart
of the matter. When I think of this, I think of Donna McCleskey and Fred
Hess as being particular adept at this. 

I have always carried a part of this way of being a communicator with me-as
you might expect, with mixed success. People get angry sometimes and they
often don't see what from your vantage point is the heart of the matter and
instead see only arrogance. And sometimes, I am sure I have been arrogant
and not a pedagogue at all when using this "method." 

This leads to an apology to Terry Bergdall. I didn't give what he wrote
about the mission of ICA its due. And I'll beg off my self-initiated debate
on content, method . . . process, medium, etc., they are all important.

And this leads to dialogue which I proposed as a method. I happened across
an article I had saved on this method and was struck by the first principle
of dialogue, which is to suspend judgment. Well this punctures my illusion
of how well I am practicing dialogue as a method.

Here are the seven principles:

The dialogue as a method

The seven commandments of the dialogue method

*	Suspending judgment

*	Identifying and suspending one's own assumptions

*	Beginning by listening

*	The basis is investigation and reflection

*	Attention to non-verbal communication

*	Good discussion guidelines

*	Firm chairing 

Kerk en Wereld
Dialogue as a method

There is a more extensive presentation attached.

Debate is one-way communication with the goal being to exert influence.

Dialogue is two-way communication aiming at consensus, or at least growing
from another's viewpoint.

In an event, I believe dialogue is part of the new pedagogy, and, being
older and wiser now, I apologize to Terry.

Herman 

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