[Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue

[McCabe, Diann A]

Love this idea.  Presented poetry to 2nd graders this morning and had a grand time with them-their playfulness, openness, and imagination reminded me what's important in many ways.

--Diann McCabe


On 9/21/10 9:11 AM, "James Wiegel" <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:

Happy birthday, Herman.  look back and savor the marvellous life you have lived.  Be careful, also, back in May I celebrated my 65th, and I am still at sea with the transition, some prop way down in my being dissolved . . .

I read a book my wife was using in her high school classes, where a girl had turned 12, and she was so excited and so proud and all, then, when she got to school, something happened and she responded like a three year old.  Her reflection was:

The difficult thing about being 12 is that you are also still 3 and 5 and 8, those previous ages don't quite go away, they stay with you and any one of them may come up at any time.

God bless . . .

Jim

The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.  William Arthur Ward.

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--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Herman Greene <hgreene at greenelawnc.com> wrote:

From: Herman Greene <hgreene at greenelawnc.com>
Subject: [Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:14 AM

        Today is my 65th birthday. It's one of those milestone years. A person once said to me that at any given age, one can say "A lot of people have been, e.g., 65, but for you it's something you've never experienced before." Then he said you can pass on knowledge but not experience, you have to experience your own experience.   So my experience is . . . well I guess I really am an elder, senior or whatever you call it now. So I'll have to find out what this is about.   I have a name for an aspect of our old pedagogy. It is "puncture" pedagogy, as in puncturing illusions and cutting through defenses to get to the heart of the matter. When I think of this, I think of Donna McCleskey and Fred Hess as being particular adept at this.   I have always carried a part of this way of being a communicator with me-as you might expect, with mixed success. People get angry sometimes and they often don't see what from your vantage point is the heart of the matter and instead see only arrogance. And sometimes, I am sure I have been arrogant and not a pedagogue at all when using this "method."   This leads to an apology to Terry Bergdall. I didn't give what he wrote about the mission of ICA its due. And I'll beg off my self-initiated debate on content, method . . . process, medium, etc., they are all important.   And this leads to dialogue which I proposed as a method. I happened across an article I had saved on this method and was struck by the first principle of dialogue, which is to suspend judgment. Well this punctures my illusion of how well I am practicing dialogue as a method.   Here are the seven principles:   The dialogue as a method The seven commandments of the dialogue method

 *   Suspending judgment
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 *   Identifying and suspending one's own assumptions
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 *   Beginning by listening
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 *   The basis is investigation and reflection
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 *   Attention to non-verbal communication
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 *   Good discussion guidelines
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 *   Firm chairing

Kerk en Wereld
Dialogue as a method There is a more extensive presentation attached.   Debate is one-way communication with the goal being to exert influence.   Dialogue is two-way communication aiming at consensus, or at least growing from another's viewpoint.   In an event, I believe dialogue is part of the new pedagogy, and, being older and wiser now, I apologize to Terry.   Herman    _____________________________________________ Herman F. Greene, Esq. Greene Law, PLLC 2516 Winningham Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-624-0579 (ph) 919-942-4358 (f) Skype: hgreene-nc hgreene at greenelawnc.com www.greenelawnc.com The contents of this message may be privileged or confidential.  If you are not an intended recipient or believe you have received the message in error, please notify the sender, delete the message, and do not copy or otherwise disseminate it.   IRS Circular 230 Notice: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in this communication (including attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code, or (ii) promoting, marketing, or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein.


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