[Oe List ...] On turning 65, puncture pedagogy, an apology and dialogue

[Isobel and Jim Bishop]

Dear Herman,
A belated Happy Birthday to you from Sydney, where Spring is blossoming.
Thank you for sending us the Dialogue as method principles.
It reminds me of some Training I recently attended-  part of which is  
called Relational Listening. (  I don't remember doing much  
Relational Listening in RS1). Anyway, we have all learnt many new  
skills in the last years, and will keep on, keeping on learning-  as  
we choose.
I greatly value your insights- and remember you with affection.

Here in Australia we are mourning the death of dear Elaine Richmond,  
as many on this listserve have shared. I was so grateful to sit with  
Elaine during The Common Dreams Conference in Melbourne in April,  
this year. We will miss her so much.

Herman, may your journey of the spirit enrich your daily life, today,  
and on and on.

Grace and peace,
Isobel BIshop.
On 21/09/2010, at 11:14 PM, Herman Greene wrote:

> Today is my 65th birthday. It’s one of those milestone years. A  
> person once said to me that at any given age, one can say “A lot  
> of people have been, e.g., 65, but for you it’s something you’ve  
> never experienced before.” Then he said you can pass on knowledge  
> but not experience, you have to experience your own experience.
>
> So my experience is . . . well I guess I really am an elder, senior  
> or whatever you call it now. So I’ll have to find out what this is  
> about.
>
> I have a name for an aspect of our old pedagogy. It is  
> “puncture” pedagogy, as in puncturing illusions and cutting  
> through defenses to get to the heart of the matter. When I think of  
> this, I think of Donna McCleskey and Fred Hess as being particular  
> adept at this.
>
> I have always carried a part of this way of being a communicator  
> with me—as you might expect, with mixed success. People get angry  
> sometimes and they often don’t see what from your vantage point is  
> the heart of the matter and instead see only arrogance. And  
> sometimes, I am sure I have been arrogant and not a pedagogue at  
> all when using this “method.”
>
> This leads to an apology to Terry Bergdall. I didn’t give what he  
> wrote about the mission of ICA its due. And I’ll beg off my self- 
> initiated debate on content, method . . . process, medium, etc.,  
> they are all important.
>
> And this leads to dialogue which I proposed as a method. I happened  
> across an article I had saved on this method and was struck by the  
> first principle of dialogue, which is to suspend judgment. Well  
> this punctures my illusion of how well I am practicing dialogue as  
> a method.
>
> Here are the seven principles:
>
> The dialogue as a method
>
> The seven commandments of the dialogue method
>
> Suspending judgment
>
> Identifying and suspending one’s own assumptions
>
> Beginning by listening
>
> The basis is investigation and reflection
>
> Attention to non-verbal communication
>
> Good discussion guidelines
>
> Firm chairing
> Kerk en Wereld
> Dialogue as a method
>
> There is a more extensive presentation attached.
>
> Debate is one-way communication with the goal being to exert  
> influence.
>
> Dialogue is two-way communication aiming at consensus, or at least  
> growing from another’s viewpoint.
>
> In an event, I believe dialogue is part of the new pedagogy, and,  
> being older and wiser now, I apologize to Terry.
>
> Herman
>
>
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