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[James Wiegel]

I think the way we are using the term "responsible" might be making a bigger assumption about predictability and guaranteeing of the future . . .

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--- On Tue, 8/9/11, John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com> wrote:

From: John Cock <jpc2025 at triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OJWDA
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 7:06 AM



 
You wrote: "Just using the process does not 
assure responsible decisions." 

 
TRULY. 
 
That's your job as acting Chr. of ICA-USA Board. Please 
straighten out the Tea Party and Standard and Poor's 
values/depth immediately.  
 
John

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Just using the process does 
not assure responsible decisions.  The quality of the values being 
held in the"judge" and "weigh up" steps are critical.  If the decision 
is made on behalf of a special interest, be it group and/or ideology, 
etc., without taking into account the short and long-term impact upon 
the whole and the common good, it would be difficult to see it as 
"responsible."  Two of our consistent values were/are comprehensiveness and depth.
 
Randy




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Well said John, and I  particularly appreciate your 
last line about saying it more forcefully!

Evelyn sitting in Taipei on a 
soon to be hot muggy summer day while it is still cool in the morning

On 
8/9/2011 5:15 AM, John Cock wrote: 

  Good illustration of Bonhoeffer's OJWDA by S&P (Standard & Poor's) action on 
  USA credit worthiness: 
   
   Observe: all the data 
  
Judge: USA vulnerable 
Weigh up: "not much difference between AAA and 
  AA+ rating; a nudge for USA to do better" (paraphrase of their head man) 
  
Decide: publish/proclaim the lower rating 
Act: they did at close of 
  day on Friday and all hell broke loose in global markets today 
   
   They screwed up on WEIGH UP: 
  the difference it makes for USA and global economies is enormous, quite 
  possibly a double dip global recession.
   
   A good example of moralism 
  ... which seldom weighs up: go by the rules no matter the consequences (also 
  Tea Party). 
   
   Moody's and Fitch agencies 
  left USA at AAA rating. 
   
   End of illustration. 
   
   I do not like the 
  morality (values/depth) of the Tea Party members 
  in Congress and S&P. (I could have said this much more forcefully!)
   
   John 


       
  


   
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