[Oe List ...] CS-I re Herman

Sun Jan 2 06:29:00 CST 2011

Catch us up on the Spratlys.  Not much news here on this strategic interest.  When we were in the Philippines in the 90's we were told that there were rich oil reserves there and that several the big oil corps. had done exploration there, and that it would be a future bone of contention as well as a real resource for whoever got hold of them.

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On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Jaime Vergara wrote:

> Herman,
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> We all have knee-jerk response moments, and the tragedy with some of us (guilty as charged) is that we do not follow-up with confessional clarifications.  Thank you for doing so.
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> CS-1, like process theology, taught open-ended methodology.  It was its openness that was liberating, and not just replacing old perspectives with newer ones, and as you are finding out, economic, political and cultural cul-de-sacs get dated quickly.  
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> The numbers re China's flocking to the cities is horrendous though there is little consolation in the urbanization of formerly one-street towns.   I went to Heihe in the Amur border with Russia thinking that I was heading for Manchurian frontier land, not downtown Toronto!
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> But yes, the ecological disaster that coal's continuing use is not very comforting.  China's investment in carbon capture is a sign that perhaps, we can mitigate further damage (not too hopeful), but I take the long view of science: that the incidence of Gaia's human specie is but the last 30 seconds of 54 years of existence of the Universe.  The universe will prevail even if homo sapien heads towards its own extinction.
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> BTW, I wrote On Route 66, in response to your birthday and the beginning of my 66th year.  (http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?newsID=105762&cat=3).  Usual caveat: curious, you are welcome; not, meet you at the bend.
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> I latch on the cultural wisdom of complementary dualism that even the Chinese are forgetting (and unfortunately, adopting contradictional if not confrontational dualism).  What CS-1 methodologically provided is the practice of and/both  rather than either/or  in addressing the indicative.  The Obama White House seems to be beholden to the thinking patterns of the Pentagon, as exemplified in the recent Korean peninsula incident, and our lassoing the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam v. China on the Spratlys.  Bracevich's Limits of Power need more proponents to counter the insidious influence of American exceptionalism.
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> My three-cent piece on New Year!
> 
> Jaime
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> From: Herman Greene <hgreene at greenelawnc.com>
> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe at wedgeblade.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 2:19 am
> Subject: [Oe List ...] CS-I
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> One of my New Year’s resolutions is to not be so sharp with my tongue/pen. Does anybody else have a hangover from our illusion-busting days?
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> I continue to think about urban scientific and secular. A more complete thought than the one I expressed yesterday is that I think what we were trying to do was to bring the church into the 20th century. There was also, however, in my opinion, a stance of celebrating these changes uncritically as well as the general economic development model,.
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> Science has given to us the gifts of modernity and at the same time is laying waste to the world. Berry said “Science is not a cosmology. When science thinks it is a cosmology it becomes destructive. When science functions within a cosmology, it becomes a wisdom.”  His effort was to establish a new cosmology. I had many arguments with him about this because he seemed to think the universe story by itself was such a cosmology. In his followers, the universe story as a scientific story and as a philosophical cosmology has become confused. Berry and Swimme’s philosophical cosmology that was the heart of their universe story was not consistent with what we may call “scientism.” For example, they say there is an intentional or teleological aspect to evolution (“the universe is about something”), something that is outside “science” and for many scientists is “heresy” (because for scientists their trade has become more than an aspect of reality, it has become the whole of reality—a scientific and philosophical cosmology).
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> It is certainly true we are becoming increasing urban. It is also true that cities have been the source of “civilization” over the last 3,000 years at least. This is reflected in such ideas as the pagans (in other words those who live in the country) or the heathen (those who live in the heath). Now I think the growth of cities is probably more problem than promise. For example in the next 20 years 350 million people are expected to move into cities in China (more than the entire population of the United States) and this is on top of those who already live in cities in China. Just the new settlers in the cities will require the installation of electrical power greater than the entire installed electrical power in the United States today and most of it will be powered by coal. Further the role of cities as the centers of global industrial civilization is problematic.
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> The secular is something I think I understand and then I think I don’t. We can call the world secular and yet we can call it more religious than ever and the effect of religions is having as much impact on affairs as ever. The secular is part of what allows science to operate as a cosmology. The secular is what allows the economic man to exist, the one driven only by pain and pleasure principles and utility. The secular is what relativizes all moral values, so that nothing is right or wrong, it is only a preference.
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> So if we were to teach CS-I again, we may still talk about the urban, the scientific and the secular but we would be talking about them as much as problem as promise and we would not be looking to them for values as such, rather we would be speaking to what is the basis of value and meaning in an urban, scientific, and secular-yet-very-religious world.
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