[Oe List ...] Salmon:Wiegel

Sat Jun 4 01:35:12 CDT 2011

Thought George was being funny!

j'aime la vie

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From: W. J. <synergi at yahoo.com>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 1:19 pm
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Definitely not 'Paul Sartre' aka Jean-Paul Sartre.
Try S. Kierkegaard instead.
Marshall

From: M. George Walters <m.george.walters at verizon.net>
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Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 4:25:31 AM
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To David Walters
Paul Sartre – father of modern psychology.

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From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Walters
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 00:15
To: Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon:Wiegel

When I was in the Academy, someone walked up to the chalk board to begin his lecture by quoting some existentialist fron the 19th 
century, which seemed so odd that he would do so while trying to leture a group of people who where there to learn to be 20th century churchmen. Can't remember who it was. I'm sure it wasn't Gene Marshal because he wasn't wearing surgical gloves due to his allergy to chalk. I was probaly Lingo or Shinn.

Anyway back to the quote. It went something like ..... When Salmon relates himself to himself, and by willing  to relate himself to himself, he somehow grounds himself in his own theological jargon. I think I got that right, but sometimes late at night I get things turned around a little bit.

Grace an peace

-David Walters

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From: "William Salmon" <wsalmon at cox.net>
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon:Wiegel
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:20:29 -0500

Jim--

    Perhaps we'll need a little "Weigle" room on this one. 

    It's best to let Rendle speak for himself--so check out the article and buy the book.

    However, I believe he would say that what the 10 million are hanging on to is an illusion of reality -- very bad to live a lie, eh what? Letting go means to replace the "contemporary" methods with a new purpose rather than just new methods. 

    OK, OK, I know, what is the new purpose? Go back to my first sentence and follow instructions. 

    I did not say he had all the answers--that's my position. I did say that what I read ABOUT HIS BOOK appeared to be a sign of hope amidst all of the crap that is presented as authentic change. 

    In particular I Iiked the image of the Wilderness being a place of renewal and preparation for something new. That, my friend, is something new to me. For me the desert is the description of where we live as human folk (on Vacation); the Promised Land --my Spiritual Oasis--is where we fulfill our intended creation to live the humane and gracious life (at Home) while working for justice and mercy. Thank you very much, R. Niebuhr. 

    Inner Peas, 

    Bill

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From: James Wiegel 

To: Order Ecumenical Community 

Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Signs of hope?

"For anyone still connected to a mainline church" -- how many is that, would you guess?  10 million in the US??  5??

Your statement seems to suggest a proposal that the best case would be for these folks to quit hanging on and  . . . what??

Jim Wiegel

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From: George Packard <george.packard1 at rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Signs of hope?
To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 3:33 PM

Right on Pastor Bill! 
For anyone still connected to a mainline church Wedland"s stuff is a fantastic resource. She has consistently maintained a positive "enlightened pew perspective" through out the last two decades.
George

From: oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces at wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of William Salmon
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:13 PM
To: OE at wedgeblade.net
Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Signs of hope?

Colleagues All--

    Recently, I've noted a slight shift taking place from all of the negativity of the collapse to something that might approach a tiny light of hope. 

    I've attached a newsletter written by Barbara Wendland, "Connections." Wendland is a theologically trained laywoman (Perkins School of Theology) and a thorn-in-the-side of the traditional church. For years--maybe 30--she has written her newsletter exploring the voice of a progressive critic of things-as-they-are. 

    This month's letter reviews a book by Guy Rendle (seems familiar--but I can't tell you why) titled, "Journey in the Wilderness: New Life for Mainline Churches." 

    His use of the wilderness is patterned after that of the Exodus in which he sees people, ". . . being shaped as a new people with a new identity, fresh purpose, and. . .a new hope." 

    See what you think. If you haven'et send an email to Wendland to a free subscription to her newsletter, and see what you think.

    Inner Peace, 

    Bill

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