[Oe List ...] [Dialogue] 2/16/12, Spong: "Think Different - Accept Uncertainty" Part IV: ExpandingtheBankruptcy of Theism

R Williams rcwmbw at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 16 13:31:18 EST 2012 

I doubt that the victims of the holocaust would refer to their pain and suffering as "minor inconveniences."
Randy

"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."
-Martin Buber (adapted)

--- On Thu, 2/16/12, Roger Alexander <ralexan934 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Roger Alexander <ralexan934 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] 2/16/12, Spong: "Think Different - Accept Uncertainty" Part IV: ExpandingtheBankruptcy of Theism
To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at wedgeblade.net>
Cc: "Bob Boyte" <RBoyte at insight.rr.com>, "Harold Pratt" <hapratt at comcast.net>, "Barbara Boyte" <grammybarb at aol.com>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 12:22 PM


 

Of course, I did not say or even imply that RS1 was ultimate (truth) but it was a huge breakthrough for me (I guess through and out of the mythic level if you are referring to Ken Wilbur's stages) and many others who experienced transformation in RS1. 
 
II will be interesting to see what kind of comments others may have in response to Spong and Darrell. 
Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: darrell walker 
To: Colleague Dialogue 
Cc: Bob Boyte ; Harold Pratt ; Barbara Boyte 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2/16/12,Spong: "Think Different - Accept Uncertainty" Part IV: ExpandingtheBankruptcy of Theism


My thoughts in reponse to my friend, Roger Alexander, who gave a positive response to Spong's essay.  Darrell
 
Two thoughts, Roger.
    1.  We do not know the workings of God.  Specifically, Spong (along with many others) implies strongly that the Holocaust could not have been of God, and if it was, it would place God in the corner with Evil.  It is possible (I consider likely) that the Holocaust did have God's blessing in that it provided oportunities for innumerable people to grow spiritually through the experience.  Pain and suffering are minor inconveniences on the path of spiritual growth and more often than not, contribute to spiritual growth.  There have been many writings evolving from the Holocaust that give testamony to that happening.  We do not know the ways of God.  Nice, sweet, cushy lives usually do not enhance spiritual growth.  Pain often does.  One reading of God's intent is that the first priority for human lives is spiritual growth, not the absence of pain.  Pain is a catalyst for spiritual growth.  A lot of spiritual growth occurred during the
 Holocaust, not only with those suffering through the concentration camps, but the millions who afterward have paused to reflect on the causes leading to suffering.  I fault Spong for his limited view of the workings of God.
 
    2.  Spong routinely puts down the theology of the Mythic level of spiritual evolvement.  It shows his limited knowledge of how spiritual evolvement works.  The Mythic level, with its story and concept of sin/forgiveness, is a necessary step in the process of spiritual evolution.  We do not put down the teachings of the third grade in school becuase it does not include calculus and cardiovascular surgical methodology.  Spong routinely dinigrates the theology of a necessary level, egotistically implying that he has reached the ultimate and that everyone should immulate his theology.  Granted, RS-1 provided many people, including you and I, a path out of the Mythic level into the higher levels of spiritual attainment.  I am eternally blessed by your recruiting me to the course.  But even RS-1 and EI/ICA are not the ultimate.  I personally have, through no small amount of deep reflection, grown beyond RS-1 theology.  It is a long process in
 which each step is blessed by the Divine Ground of Being, not to be dinigrated.
    Darrell 




Roger Alexander commented:
    This is an excellent essay. I still marvel at how far ahead of the "institutional church" the theology in RS1 was and still is.



 



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"Think Different - Accept Uncertainty" Part IV: Expanding the Bankruptcy of Theism
Before proceeding with this series, I want to return to my theme of last week and examine the concept of theism more closely.  In so doing, I run the risk of repetition, but so crucial is this idea in the development of this series that I am willing to do that in order to make sure that the ground has been laid for a deeper and more significant examination of why the predominant theistic definition of God is mortally wounded and how we must find a way to transcend its limits, while holding open the possibility that the God beyond theism can still be perceived as real.
It was a German theologian named Paul Tillich who first opened for me the possibility that God was not a being, supernatural in power, dwelling somewhere beyond the sky and ready to come to us with intervening miraculous power.  To say it differently, Tillich was the thinker who first made me realize that “theism” was no longer a definition of God with which I could live.  That insight was expanded by reading a book entitled Night, by Elie Wiesel.  Wiesel, a teenage Jewish boy, sent by the Nazi regime to the death camps of Adolf Hitler, was parted from his mother at the prison entrance, when Elie and his father were sent in one direction, while his mother and all other women were sent in another.  He would never see her again.  Somehow Wiesel was destined to survive that horror.  Shortly before that war’s conclusion, he watched his father die. Even the presence of the light at the end of the tunnel was not enough to overcome what his
 father’s body had suffered.  Elie Wiesel was thus the sole survivor in his family, but that survival left him a changed man.  For Wiesel hope had died, faith in God had died and meaning was in tatters.  In the sacred scriptures of his people he had read the story of Moses and the Exodus.  His Bible asserted that in the past God had come to the aid of God’s people.  God had pounded the Egyptians with multiple plagues until they agreed to set the Jewish people free from their bondage.  God had aided their escape, these scriptures proclaimed, by splitting the waters of the Red Sea, so that the Jews could pass through on dry land while the Egyptians all drowned.  In the wilderness God had fed these people with bread from heaven, and had brought water for them out of the rock at Meribah.  This was a God who saw, who intervened with supernatural power, a God who cared.  That was, however, not the Holocaust experience so Wiesel asked: “Where was
 this God now? Had God abandoned God’s people?  Was it possible that God had died?  Was his God nothing but a figment of his imagination?”  His spiritual crisis was real.
In Wiesel’s mind the equation was simple.  If God was real and had the power to intervene to stop the Holocaust, but had declined to do so, then God was both responsible and morally culpable. Such a God would be a malevolent demon, not an object of worship.  If God did not have the power to intervene then God must be impotent.  Having a malevolent God or an impotent God is worse than having no God at all.  That was the dilemma that the concept of a theistic deity raised for Wiesel and indeed for everyone else.  That is why the human mind has over the centuries felt compelled to justify the ways of God to human minds.  The traditional idea of an intervening God equipped with supernatural power collided head on with the idea of God’s goodness.  You could not have both.  The claims we made for God paled before the enormity of the evil inflicted on the Jews by the Nazis.  The inevitable conclusions were clear.  Either there was no God or the
 definition we had of God was woefully inadequate.  Wiesel was plunged into the dark night of the soul, and so were many citizens of the Western World.
The theistic understanding of God had been badly weakened earlier by the expansion of human knowledge.  By the time of the Nazi horror in the first half of the twentieth century, we were well past the writings of Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo, 16th and 17th century figures, who had in effect rendered homeless the theistic God.  The idea that the skies were empty and the universe was infinite was the conclusion toward which these early astronomers were headed.  The suggestion that there was an all-seeing deity who kept us as the apple of the divine eye or a deity who numbered the hairs of our heads, or even a God “unto whom all hearts are open, all desires known and from whom no secrets are hid” became quite problematic. The Christian Church tried to fight back against this heavenly emptiness by putting Galileo on trial and convicting him of heresy.  Because of his age and infirmity, however and perhaps also aided by the fact that he had a
 daughter who was a nun, he was not burned at the stake.  Instead he agreed to recant publicly and never again to publish any thoughts contrary to the church’s faith.  He was sentenced to live under house arrest for the balance of his days.  The church in that era, so drunk with its own power, believed that if someone disagreed with the church’s version of the truth they had to be wrong.  That had been the working principle behind the Inquisition. New ideas, they had to learn, cannot be repressed simply because they are inconvenient to established truth.  In 1991 the Vatican officially announced that they now believed that Galileo was correct.  This was decades past the beginning of space travel.  Galileo was right indeed and the theistic understanding of God that Galileo challenged began its slow but inevitable decline.
It did not get better for the theistic deity with the work of Isaac Newton in the latter half of the 17thy century.  It appeared to Newton and his followers that the universe operated with immutable, natural laws.  A capricious deity could not set these laws aside to answer prayers, to send rain, to turn the direction of a hurricane, to stop an earthquake, to cure a sickness, to end a war, or even to counter human atrocities. The religious voices, fettered to a theistic past, found their explanations sounding more like comic relief than serious conviction.  All of the things we once assumed to be the actions of the theistic deity were now explained without appeal to that deity at all.  Increasingly the world had no need for the theistic God hypothesis.  The theistic God had thus become virtually unemployed.  The theistic deity was given a pink slip and retired.
Friedrich Nietzsche proclaimed this God to be dead as long ago as the 19th century.  In the1960’s the “God is Dead” theologians, a group of leading Christian academics, added their voices to the despairing state of theological understanding. We are today increasingly living in a post-Christian world and more and more people become convinced almost daily that they can no longer sing the theistic God’s song in the 21st century that all of us now inhabit.  If people can not accept this exploding knowledge that has served to call all theistic presuppositions into question, they become defensive and hide behind the irrational and easily dismissed authority claims like being the possessors of either an infallible Pope or an inerrant Bible.  If people do embrace the world of new knowledge, they find no room in their lives for the theistic God ideas of the past. They are today leaving the unthinking religious institutions in droves, abandoning the
 faith of their fathers and mothers to the dustbins of history.
It was into that world that Paul Tillich began to seek a new definition of God.  Perhaps God is not a being.  Perhaps we have created the theistic God in our image, not the other way around.  Perhaps we can discover a transcendent dimension in life by looking at being itself.  Perhaps it is life that is holy, flowing as it does through every living creature, as it has journeyed from single cells, which first defined life about 3.8 billion years ago, to the self-conscious complexity that human beings now illustrate.  Among these self-conscious ones there has always been a yearning to transcend all limits, to engage the meaning of life, to probe the potential of love and to seek oneness with something that is beyond our grasp.  Is this ‘God’ not still present hiding behind the theistic categories that are now dying? Can we not let theism die without destroying the human yearning for the divine?  It is only the death of theism not the death of
 God that fuels our current religious despair.  Suppose, however, that we look again and see that there is something beyond our separateness that calls us into oneness, that there is something beyond our self-consciousness that invites us into a universal consciousness, and that there is something beyond our limits that encourages us to step beyond all human limitations. Can we not then begin to define this God non-theistically?  Instead of searching for God as a being who dwells beyond the sky, Tillich suggested that we turn inward and search for the God who is the Ground of being, the Source of life and the Source of love.  Is my life then part of the life that is God?  Is my love a manifestation of a love that emanates from God?  Is my being related to and grounded in the being of God? Is our mystical yearning a delusion or a pointer toward a new reality?
A new door is surely opening for our exploration.  We tremble at the door.  If we dare to walk through it, we must leave behind almost all of the religious symbols by which we have been nurtured in the past.  We will, we fear, become “secular humanists.”  If on the other hand, we refuse to walk through that door, we must spend our time defending our dying religious past with increasing hysteria.  We become fundamentalists, traditionalists or pre-Vatican II Catholics.
If the only alternative to theism is atheism, that will be the result.  I propose something quite different.  My expectations are that we will find a new understanding of what it means to be human and in that process discover a mystical oneness that can and will relate us to that which is eternal.  It is that goal which beckons me to begin this journey that will inevitably take us out of the immaturity of our religious past and into the wonder of our religious future.
In that journey inevitably creeds will change, old institutional forms will die and new ones will be born, and all present liturgies will be transformed, but the eternal search for God will go on.  That is the challenge facing Christianity today.  I am willing to begin the journey now.  I hope I am not alone.
~John Shelby Spong
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Stephanie, via the Internet, writes:
Question:
I have been reading your weekly newsletters with great interest; thank you for articulating faith for the 21st century so clearly.  I have to admit, though, that I’m somewhat perplexed about your series on “The Meaning of the Resurrection.”  I understand that you seek to place Peter at the center of a “resurrection awareness” that took some 6-12 months after the crucifixion.  You quote several references as well as Paul’s, “appeared to Cephas and the Twelve” as firm support.  What I am wondering is – since the gospels are subversive to predominant culture, why downplay all four gospels’ claims that Mary Magdalene, either alone or together with other women, was the first at an empty grave and became messenger of the news that opened the door to a resurrection awareness for herself and others?  Yes, I understand that in Jewish Culture, women’s testimony couldn’t be trusted unless affirmed by a man, but so many stories in the
 gospels undermine predominant culture especially as it pertains to gender roles that I always thought was God’s last and best joke to give the message of the empty grave to women.  So where is Mary Magdalene, or any of the other women, in this resurrection awareness?  As an aside, you should know that, 25 years ago when I was in seminary in Austin, your brother was one of my most influential teachers.  I remember him fondly. I’m glad you continue to clarify and articulate faith for this time and age.  Thank you for your ministry.
Answer:
Dear Stephanie, 

I share your sense of distress, but all of my studies led me to suggest that the tomb stories in which the women play major roles are of secondary not primary value.  If you go back to the “where” question in the series to which you refer (which incidentally ran a long time ago), the data reveals the primacy of Galilee over Jerusalem in the Easter narratives.  The Galilee stories are far more primitive and un-doctored than the Jerusalem stories.  Only in Jerusalem do you have sightings of Jesus, conversations with the Risen Christ and even, as the stories develop, increasing physicality. 

In Mark, the earliest gospel, the women led by Magdalene come to the tomb, but see nothing except a messenger who directs them to tell the disciples that Jesus will meet them in Galilee.  They flee in fear and say nothing to anyone.  Matthew changes Mark that he is copying and has the women see the Risen Christ in the garden at dawn.  Luke, also with Mark in front of him, is true to Mark’s story line saying that the women do not see Jesus.  John makes Magdalene the star of his resurrection drama, but John is writing near the end of the first century. Even in John, Magdalene does not see Jesus until her second peering into the tomb. 

The better case for the role of women in the gospel tradition can be made not from the resurrection narratives, but from the body of the gospels. Mark, Matthew and Luke all assert that Jesus had female disciples who followed him “all the way from Galilee.”  Paul declares that in Christ there is neither male nor female.  Jesus is portrayed as allowing the touch of a woman with a chronic menstrual discharge; as standing between the woman taken in adultery and her accusers, and supports Mary’s right to sit at the feet of the Teacher as a faithful pupil, capable of learning.  John makes two women, the Samaritan woman by the well and Magdalene, the heralds of his “word.”  I want to celebrate women in the biblical story and in the life of the church itself, but I do not think I can ground that in the resurrection narratives. 

Thank you for your words about my brother.  I miss him terribly. 

~John Shelby Spong





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